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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Haven't re prosecurted terrorist before? Wouldn't that be precedence?

    I don't know what you mean about needing foreign countries. I've made no such claim.
    Who are ou referring to here?

    In post 112 you said "We didn't need other countries" and then later suggested subordinating US sovereignty to UN authority..

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've done it before,a nd quite successfully, so why would it be dunb?

    And yes, many of us agreed with Obama that he had to correct the Bush error and return to the focus on Afghanistan. And a I disagre with a few things he did there, it may well bite him. But it is not equal to what Bush did in Iraq.

    As for me just having opinion, do you argue we have no such laws? That we did not sign agreements with the UN?


    I'm one of those "people" that believes firming in "Get the US our of the UN and get the UN out of the US". Some of the UNs deicisions are so stupid that a 2 year old would laugh. The UN appoints Iran to head up the Human Rights Committee. That is absolutely stupid. So I'm sure you can see how I wouldn't give two hoots for anything that comes out of the UN, yes?



    Yes I realize we are doing "it" right now and that jackass terrorist is making a mockery of our courts and giving a wonderful performance for every other nimrod terrorist in the world. That sure makes me happy snappy.

    So how's that "return to the focus on Afganistan" working. We've already told them we're leaving in 2014. So all they have to do is kill some NATO/American troops everyday or so until we leave. I'm sure those being sacrificed on the battlefield by President Obama are real glad he has refocused on the Afgan War for the next 2 years. Hopefully they can dodge the kill shot for that long.

    Again President Obama hasn't the skills nor the "time in the zone" to be POTUS. I think history will prove me right.
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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I'm one of those "people" that believes firming in "Get the US our of the UN and get the UN out of the US". Some of the UNs deicisions are so stupid that a 2 year old would laugh. The UN appoints Iran to head up the Human Rights Committee. That is absolutely stupid. So I'm sure you can see how I wouldn't give two hoots for anything that comes out of the UN, yes?



    Yes I realize we are doing "it" right now and that jackass terrorist is making a mockery of our courts and giving a wonderful performance for every other nimrod terrorist in the world. That sure makes me happy snappy.

    So how's that "return to the focus on Afganistan" working. We've already told them we're leaving in 2014. So all they have to do is kill some NATO/American troops everyday or so until we leave. I'm sure those being sacrificed on the battlefield by President Obama are real glad he has refocused on the Afgan War for the next 2 years. Hopefully they can dodge the kill shot for that long.

    Again President Obama hasn't the skills nor the "time in the zone" to be POTUS. I think history will prove me right.
    I didn;t say right now, I said we've done it in the past, have tried, convicted, and housed for years with no problems at all. And frankly, he's made far fewer mistakes than Bush. Far fewer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who are ou referring to here?

    In post 112 you said "We didn't need other countries" and then later suggested subordinating US sovereignty to UN authority..
    You're wrong on both issues.

    Post 112 said we didn't need other countries to take prisoners. Reading things in context helps with understanding. And honoring our agreements is not equal to subordinating our sovereinty. That talking point is just mindless drivel that some spout to avoid addressing the issue or even thinking at all.

    As I said, we've tried, convicted, and housed terrorist before:

    But the apocalyptic rhetoric rarely addresses this: Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.

    Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.

    Supermax Prisons in U.S. Already Hold International Terrorists

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn;t say right now, I said we've done it in the past, have tried, convicted, and housed for years with no problems at all. And frankly, he's made far fewer mistakes than Bush. Far fewer.

    Your right we have "tried, convicted and housed" in the past. But IMO, the GITMO terrorist are a whole different problem. And IMO, Senator Obama should have known the "ins and outs" on this issue and not promised he'd have GITMO closed by the end of his 1st year in office. Rookie mistake? Or did he promise something he knew he couldn't pull off?

    That is what I'm talking about. President Obama hasn't the skills set to be POTUS. He opens his mouth says something ignorant, "the private sector is doing fine", and then has to walk it back. Either he won't listen to his advisors or his advisors are dumb as rocks. Either way he is the best example of Peter's Principle I've seen in a long time.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I'm one of those "people" that believes firming in "Get the US our of the UN and get the UN out of the US". Some of the UNs deicisions are so stupid that a 2 year old would laugh. The UN appoints Iran to head up the Human Rights Committee. That is absolutely stupid. So I'm sure you can see how I wouldn't give two hoots for anything that comes out of the UN, yes?



    Yes I realize we are doing "it" right now and that jackass terrorist is making a mockery of our courts and giving a wonderful performance for every other nimrod terrorist in the world. That sure makes me happy snappy.

    So how's that "return to the focus on Afganistan" working. We've already told them we're leaving in 2014. So all they have to do is kill some NATO/American troops everyday or so until we leave. I'm sure those being sacrificed on the battlefield by President Obama are real glad he has refocused on the Afgan War for the next 2 years. Hopefully they can dodge the kill shot for that long.

    Again President Obama hasn't the skills nor the "time in the zone" to be POTUS. I think history will prove me right.
    It's not often that an army announces when it will be retreating. I believe that's a recent trend.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not often that an army announces when it will be retreating. I believe that's a recent trend.
    Only by Obama as this recent trend begun.
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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not often that an army announces when it will be retreating. I believe that's a recent trend.

    It's the progressive way to fight a war. Like I've stated over and over President Obama hasn't the background, knowledge, ability, experience to be the leader of the US. He can talk a good game, who just hasn't had the experience in playing the game. He's a rookie and sold the voters a bill of goods.

    Hopefully thinking people who are ready to face reality will see this and vote accordingly in November.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    It's the progressive way to fight a war. Like I've stated over and over President Obama hasn't the background, knowledge, ability, experience to be the leader of the US. He can talk a good game, who just hasn't had the experience in playing the game. He's a rookie and sold the voters a bill of goods.

    Hopefully thinking people who are ready to face reality will see this and vote accordingly in November.
    If the American forces went in and did what they were capable of doing there would be a far less chance of a terrorist attack happening ever again. Doing something just halfway is why there was WWII and why they didn't repeat the same mistake when that was done. The aggressive countries were soundly beaten and Germany, Japan and Italy have been docile ever since, often to a fault.

    Churchill, MacArthur, Eisenhower or Patton would never have announced their time of departure from any battlefield, but now 'withdrawal' is often the second item on the agenda.

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