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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    partisans want partisan things. news at 11
    Admit it, you're frustrated and so are many others. I've been saying this all along. Many libs will be holding their noses at the ballot box this year. I'll bet some won't even show, and with Romney running, he doesn't look as rightwing as the candidates he beat. I'll bet there are even some on the left who think he's even a little bit liberal like they are (Romneycare.....Obamacare). Regardless, Obama's new spy network will be homing in on the voters.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    I don;t think there are many liberals who would say Obama didn't disappoint. But there are very few, if any, who see Romney as a better option.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Why should we close Gitmo?

    And some want to move those prisoners to mainland USA?

    I can't believe real Americans would stand for having POWs on US soil.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Why should we close Gitmo?

    And some want to move those prisoners to mainland USA?

    I can't believe real Americans would stand for having POWs on US soil.
    They stand for illegals on US soil don't they?
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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Why should we close Gitmo?

    And some want to move those prisoners to mainland USA?

    I can't believe real Americans would stand for having POWs on US soil.
    Well, according to Bush they weren't POWs. If they are POWs, they are to be released after we leave those countries. That's how it works. As I noted earlier we ahve tried, convicted and housed terrorist here in the states before. it is neither new nor unusual.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've linked what happened. Why are you pretending this hasn't been answered. He signed the order, republicans started fear mongering and congress caved. That is what happened, you have been answered.

    And, not, the war never has smelled good. But Obama could never change what Bush did. Bush's action are not erased once someone else takes over, and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

    And yes, he broke laws. He used torture. That allow was enough to hinder him in a court of law. He had no faith in American ideals, and his actions harmed everyone.


    Sorry I didn't read or see your link. Thus I have to go on what I read in the papers and my OP.

    I don't remember anything other than AG Holder wanted to try these GITMO terrorists in NYC. Now just how dumb is that, I ask. Only a novice or law professor would come up with something that ignorant, IMO. Shows the "no chops" I was speaking about previously.

    No Bush's Iraqi War doesn't belong to Obama, but Obama bought the Afgan War, he said it was a "good" war. I'll bet when all is said and done, this "good" war is gonna bite President Obama in the butt. He owns it now.

    I see you just have your opinion on Bush and his "broke laws", and as I've said before we all have an opinion but I favor my own the most.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hasn't gone before the court to my knowledge, but due process is out law, isn't it? Anyone we hold is subject to our laws. Not because of who they are but because of who we are. If you call them soliders, follow the GC. If you say they are not, then they are subject to our laws as criminals.

    The agreement we signed with the UN. We broke our agreement.
    It's always fascinating to hear leftists claim that enemy terrorists require due process in American courts, and always without any legal precedence whatsoever.

    And as to the UN , aren't you the guy who just said "Who needs foreign countries"?

    Your ideals are quite flexible it seems.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Sorry I didn't read or see your link. Thus I have to go on what I read in the papers and my OP.

    I don't remember anything other than AG Holder wanted to try these GITMO terrorists in NYC. Now just how dumb is that, I ask. Only a novice or law professor would come up with something that ignorant, IMO. Shows the "no chops" I was speaking about previously.

    No Bush's Iraqi War doesn't belong to Obama, but Obama bought the Afgan War, he said it was a "good" war. I'll bet when all is said and done, this "good" war is gonna bite President Obama in the butt. He owns it now.

    I see you just have your opinion on Bush and his "broke laws", and as I've said before we all have an opinion but I favor my own the most.
    We've done it before,a nd quite successfully, so why would it be dunb?

    And yes, many of us agreed with Obama that he had to correct the Bush error and return to the focus on Afghanistan. And a I disagre with a few things he did there, it may well bite him. But it is not equal to what Bush did in Iraq.

    As for me just having opinion, do you argue we have no such laws? That we did not sign agreements with the UN?

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Great, this is where Joe gets to derail the entire thread launching off on an argument he has been losing soundly since his days as JD3.

    j-mac
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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's always fascinating to hear leftists claim that enemy terrorists require due process in American courts, and always without any legal precedence whatsoever.

    And as to the UN , aren't you the guy who just said "Who needs foreign countries"?

    Your ideals are quite flexible it seems.
    Haven't re prosecurted terrorist before? Wouldn't that be precedence?

    I don't know what you mean about needing foreign countries. I've made no such claim.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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