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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Please link to murderous drug cartels in the U.S. using Fast & Furious guns or your case falls apart.
    again, you attempt to divert and refuse to answer a simple question
    and that question asks why you are so infatuated with the weapons sold in mexico when they are the same type of weapons that are sold - publicly - in the USA
    your double standard is showing
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    again, you attempt to divert and refuse to answer a simple question
    and that question asks why you are so infatuated with the weapons sold in mexico when they are the same type of weapons that are sold - publicly - in the USA
    your double standard is showing
    Can you link to back up your assertion or not?
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Can you link to back up your assertion or not?
    What makes you think that the guns that walked were fully automatic? Do you have anything to back that up?
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What makes you think that the guns that walked were fully automatic? Do you have anything to back that up?
    Please post the quote where I ever said that!
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Can you link to back up your assertion or not?
    from your evasion of the question it appears your hypocrisy has been exposed
    again, why is it so important for us to have monitored the weapons sold in mexico when they are the same kinds of weapons publicly traded within the USA
    if you are opposed to the sale of those weapons in mexico then why are you not also opposed to the sale of those weapons in the states
    your double standard is showing
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    from your evasion of the question it appears your hypocrisy has been exposed
    again, why is it so important for us to have monitored the weapons sold in mexico when they are the same kinds of weapons publicly traded within the USA
    if you are opposed to the sale of those weapons in mexico then why are you not also opposed to the sale of those weapons in the states
    your double standard is showing
    Un, I asked a question and simply don't address any new ones from those who won't answer my original question. It's gettin painfully obvious you can't back up your original assertion. Sorry, try a different thread.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Un, I asked a question and simply don't address any new ones from those who won't answer my original question. It's gettin painfully obvious you can't back up your original assertion. Sorry, try a different thread.
    you keep dodging what should be an easy question
    why are the weapons that are sold in mexico very important for us to have monitored while those same types of weapons are traded routinely in the USA
    explain that hypocrisy ... or being unable/unwilling to do so, it will be obvious that this is nothing more than a weak effort to criticize Obama for doing the same thing you did not criticize dubya for doing
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you keep dodging what should be an easy question
    why are the weapons that are sold in mexico very important for us to have monitored while those same types of weapons are traded routinely in the USA
    explain that hypocrisy ... or being unable/unwilling to do so, it will be obvious that this is nothing more than a weak effort to criticize Obama for doing the same thing you did not criticize dubya for doing
    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Please link to murderous drug cartels in the U.S. using Fast & Furious guns or your case falls apart.
    Answer or don't. i won't adress any new questions from you till you do.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    While the liberals are diverting, doing the jig, side stepping and trying their darndest in this threat to change the subject and muddy the water.... the result really comes down to "Holder lied" and is himself trying to divert Congress. Issa knows this, and of course it's obvious that he's covering up his departments actions... so there's a few outcomes.


    - Someone will fall on the sword for Holder & Obama's administration
    - Holder will himself be thrown under the bus as the sacrifice to make this go away
    - Delay delay delay until after the election
    - Holder will be held in contempt successfully and perhaps impeachment proceedings start prior to November
    - Nothing happens until after the election

    I really cannot see the Administration or Holder providing anything, or admitting anything until after November. If they can find a patsy to fall on the sword and still retain deniability, in that this DoJ person went off the reservation on their own - great. If not, deny deny deny. If Congress can force the issue and corner Holder or bring to light even more information making Obama look bad, Holder is the lamb to the slaughter, and damage control needs to start by Axelrod & Co. Frankly, I think Issa may get Holder in contempt prior to November... but more likely either "deny deny deny" or "nothing happens" is most likely.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you keep dodging what should be an easy question
    why are the weapons that are sold in mexico very important for us to have monitored while those same types of weapons are traded routinely in the USA
    explain that hypocrisy ... or being unable/unwilling to do so, it will be obvious that this is nothing more than a weak effort to criticize Obama for doing the same thing you did not criticize dubya for doing
    Gun trafficking is illegal in the U.S., yet the Justice Dept. sat on their hands and watched traffickers buy thousands of guns here and take them illegally across the border.

    • "The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -- Alexis de Tocqueville





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