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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    proceed with impeachment of holder for his misrepresentations to congress. hope that is successful

    but the reich wingers are engaging in more hypocrisy when they want to whine about gunwalking operations. those activities were begun on the bush watch, allowing weapons to be lost after they were taken into mexico:

    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    now what is the hue and cry from the reich side all about?

    Pure despicable lies. The Godwining alone should be enough to thoroughly dismiss your posting as little more than trolling.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Pure despicable lies. The Godwining alone should be enough to thoroughly dismiss your posting as little more than trolling.

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    The fiegned outrage seeps through this post.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fiegned outrage seeps through this post.

    Oh so you think it an acceptable tactic to call your opponent Nazi's eh? Then you are just as bad.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh so you think it an acceptable tactic to call your opponent Nazi's eh? Then you are just as bad.

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    When the OP is calling out corruption, and equating "progressive thinking" with it, you have no choice but to allow every "tactic" under the sun to be used. Please though, tell us all about how you're not a hyperbolic hack and how what you did from post 1 in this thread is somehow different.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    proceed with impeachment of holder for his misrepresentations to congress. hope that is successful

    but the reich wingers are engaging in more hypocrisy when they want to whine about gunwalking operations. those activities were begun on the bush watch, allowing weapons to be lost after they were taken into mexico:

    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    now what is the hue and cry from the reich side all about?
    At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23]

    Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

    Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]

    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Bush administration shut it down as soon as they started losing track of the guns. Holder did NOT. It was the Obama administration who re-started gun runner.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    The Bush administration shut it down as soon as they started losing track of the guns. Holder did NOT. It was the Obama administration who re-started gun runner.

    Did he say that Project Gun Runner was aimed at disrupting arms trafficking between the US and Mexico? The Project ensured the illegal transfer of thousands of weapons across an international border to bloodthirsty drug cartels.

    What incompetent and criminally culpable imbeciles.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When the OP is calling out corruption, and equating "progressive thinking" with it, you have no choice but to allow every "tactic" under the sun to be used. Please though, tell us all about how you're not a hyperbolic hack and how what you did from post 1 in this thread is somehow different.

    This isn't about me. See that is what real hacks do, in true Sol Alinsky fashion they/you try to freeze your target, in this case me, distract off topic, make it about the target, then mock, ridicule, and then you can dismiss them....Sorry, we know the play book, and yours is tired, and used up....Get a new bag.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Did he say that Project Gun Runner was aimed at disrupting arms trafficking between the US and Mexico? The Project ensured the illegal transfer of thousands of weapons across an international border to bloodthirsty drug cartels.

    What incompetent and criminally culpable imbeciles.
    The way I read about the program, the guns were supposed to be stopped just across the border and those carrying them prosecuted. I think the Bush administration underestimated the depth of corruption of the Mexican officials. I give them credit for halting the operation as soon as they realized the guys who were supposed to be stopping them on the other side of the border weren't. Knowing this the Obama administration re-started the program. That's just criminal.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This isn't about me. See that is what real hacks do, in true Sol Alinsky fashion they/you try to freeze your target, in this case me, distract off topic, make it about the target, then mock, ridicule, and then you can dismiss them....Sorry, we know the play book, and yours is tired, and used up....Get a new bag.

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    The rhetoric is strong in you. Do you have a subscription to The Blaze too? Actually, don't answer that. I'm already weirded out by you using the 3rd person and referring some phantom audience to whom you seem to be a member. So that stated, I'd hate to see you go on another little speech. All I'm telling you is not to cry and complain when you get smacked with the same hyperbolic rhetoric you use.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The rhetoric is strong in you. Do you have a subscription to The Blaze too? Actually, don't answer that. I'm already weirded out by you using the 3rd person and referring some phantom audience to whom you seem to be a member. So that stated, I'd hate to see you go on another little speech. All I'm telling you is not to cry and complain when you get smacked with the same hyperbolic rhetoric you use.

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