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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    FDR didn't start WWII, Truman didn't start the Korean War, and LBJ didn't start the Vietnam War. Bush started the Iraq War based on false and faked up intelligence.
    Since you're on vacation, I'll leave this note for when/if you return: I never claimed FDR started WWII nor the others... and I agree Bush invaded Iraq based on what we now know was faulty intelligence but you're asinine view that he apparently woke up one morning and decided to invade Iraq is 100% baseless BS. Saddam as you well know was for 12 years prior under a coalition no fly zone after Gulf War I. FDR, Truman nor LBJ were forced into a war. No one invaded the U.S., those were wars of choice, and WWII at least was the last proper and legitimate war the U.S. was involved in. Korea and Vietnam were much worse, and since you seem to hold very dear the numbers of dead soldiers (assumably because you CARE so much about servicemen and women) then you should be really hot about LBJ and Truman but you're not. Imagine that. [/sarc]
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Then you have this concrete evidence document showing this. Good. I await your posting this 'evidence'. Thanks.
    here you go:
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...2/colin-powell
    enjoy!
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post


    I sure did enjoy that video from Stewarts show.


    What I heard from Gen.Powell was "I thought it was correct, we all thought it was correct", speaking of the WMDs.


    So again where's your proof? Thanks.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I sure did enjoy that video from Stewarts show.


    What I heard from Gen.Powell was "I thought it was correct, we all thought it was correct", speaking of the WMDs.


    So again where's your proof? Thanks.
    you watched but did not listen
    can't help you with that
    Powell acknowledged the intel was bogus and should not have been used
    he also acknowledged that our leaders were warned that the information was unreliable
    but it was used anyway because no one was going to approve of going to war without it
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you watched but did not listen
    can't help you with that
    Powell acknowledged the intel was bogus and should not have been used
    he also acknowledged that our leaders were warned that the information was unreliable
    but it was used anyway because no one was going to approve of going to war without it

    "I thought is was correct" was what he said. Now I'm sure that you in your mind heard "Everyone knew it was bogus and led me down the rosie path and that's why I bought into the Iraq War". But he didn't.

    Got some real proof? I guess not. Thanks for playing.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    appears somebody repeatedly skipped history class to find any of that credible
    Not really.

    Congressional Record: September 26, 2002 (Senate)
    Page S9364-S9366

    HOMELAND SECURITY

    In September 1998, the Intelligence Community obtained information that Usama Bin Laden's next operation could involve flying an aircraft loaded with explosives into a U.S. airport and detonating it; this information was provided to senior U.S. Government officials in late 1998.

    In the fall of 1998, the Intelligence Community received additional information concerning a Bin-Laden plot involving aircraft in the New York and Washington, DC, areas;

    In November 1998, the Intelligence Community learned that a Bin Laden was attempting to recruit a group of five to seven young men from the United States to strike U.S. domestic targets.

    In the spring of 1999, the Intelligence Community learned about a planned Bin Laden attack on a U.S. Government facility in Washington, DC.

    Additionally, in 1999, the threat of an explosive-laden aircraft being used in a suicide attack against the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, or the White House, was noted in a Library of Congress report to the National Intelligence Council.

    In late 1999, the Intelligence Community learned of Bin Laden's possible plans to attack targets in Washington, DC, and New York City during the New Year's Millennium celebrations.

    On December 14, 1999, an individual named Ahmed Ressam was arrested as he attempted to enter the United States from Canada with detonator materials in his car. Ressam's intended target was Los Angeles International Airport. Ressam, who has links to Usama Bin Laden's terrorist network, has not been formally sentenced yet.

    In March 2000, the Intelligence Community obtained information regarding the types of targets that operatives in Bin Laden's network might strike. The Statue of Liberty was specifically mentioned, as were skyscrapers, ports, and airports, and nuclear power plants;}

    Senator Specter on Homeland Security and Intelligence
    Somebody in the Clinton's Meatball Up Circus knew about the airliner plot. One would think that there might be a shred of brains enough to check the U.S. Flight schools for anybodys name that might stand out. 1998, isn't that 2 years before Clinton left office? Atta and his pals trained in the United States right under Clinton's nose in early 2000. Just sayin.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The issue I'm raising is the feigned outrage of the far right. Thus the comparison.

    Oh, so you're admitting that the kerfuffle over Iraq by libs was feigned....Thanks for admitting that.


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