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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, if you ever bothered to read the facts of the case rather than whining because your guy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, you would know that.

    Holder should be kicked out of office for incompetence if nothing else.
    A: no, we don't know that.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    We definitely know Holder lied to Congress under oath, so there's a crime right there.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/pd...in;contentBody

    I guess we are to believe none of these weekly memos ever made it to Holder.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    FDR didn't start WWII, Truman didn't start the Korean War, and LBJ didn't start the Vietnam War. Bush started the Iraq War based on false and faked up intelligence.
    You mean the "false and faked up" intelligence he got from your side?

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
    That is our bottom line."
    President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
    "Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998-
    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
    "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
    et al.

    Bush lied about weapons in Iraq?* What about the Democrats-Truth!

    You really need to talk to someone about this "Bush lied", "its Bush's fault" that it consuming you. Take a deep breath and let it go...



    Now can we get back to the thread?

    Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    FDR didn't start WWII, Truman didn't start the Korean War, and LBJ didn't start the Vietnam War. Bush started the Iraq War based on false and faked up intelligence.
    I bet Bush did not know the intelligence was false and faked up anymore than Holder knew about this.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You mean the "false and faked up" intelligence he got from your side?











    et al.

    Bush lied about weapons in Iraq?* What about the Democrats-Truth!

    You really need to someone about this "Bush lied" denial that it consuming you. Take a deep breath and let it go...



    Now can we get back to the thread?

    Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress
    Bush inherited Iraq and then 9/11. You didn't hear him blame Clinton for 4 years. Of course it takes a bigger man to accept responsibility. That might not be something taught in the crowd BO hung out with.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Bush inherited Iraq and then 9/11. You didn't hear him blame Clinton for 4 years. Of course it takes a bigger man to accept responsibility. That might not be something taught in the crowd BO hung out with.
    appears somebody repeatedly skipped history class to find any of that credible
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    FDR didn't start WWII, Truman didn't start the Korean War, and LBJ didn't start the Vietnam War. Bush started the Iraq War based on false and faked up intelligence.
    In the same ways that "Bush started the Iraq War", FDR, Truman and LBJ started their wars and conflicts. FDR set up the conditions for our entry into the war and was solidly behind Lend/Lease. Truman used the viral propoganda from WWII to enter the Korean Conflict. And LBJ just plain made up the Gulf of Tonkin.

    Originally Posted by AdamT
    Like I've said several times, whoever authorized and supervised the operation should be ****canned. There's no indication that Holder was involved in those decisions.
    So, if it turns out that Holder was involved, as the bossman, shouldn't he be ****-canned? That's one of the things the hearings Holder has been ducking and dodging are trying to determine.
    Last edited by clownboy; 06-13-12 at 06:12 PM.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    FDR didn't start WWII, Truman didn't start the Korean War, and LBJ didn't start the Vietnam War. Bush started the Iraq War based on false and faked up intelligence.


    Hey AdamT, you were supposed to get me the evidence showing your claim of "false and faked up intelligence" and you haven't. Now I know you have this proof you told me you did. Thanks.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Hey AdamT, you were supposed to get me the evidence showing your claim of "false and faked up intelligence" and you haven't. Now I know you have this proof you told me you did. Thanks.
    apparently you are the only remaining human on the planet who does not realize that the iraq war was based on fabricated 'intelligence'
    even Colin Powell, who presented that 'evidence' to the UN, admitted that it was bogus on last evening's daily show
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    apparently you are the only remaining human on the planet who does not realize that the iraq war was based on fabricated 'intelligence'
    even Colin Powell, who presented that 'evidence' to the UN, admitted that it was bogus on last evening's daily show

    Then you have this concrete evidence document showing this. Good. I await your posting this 'evidence'. Thanks.

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