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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we will hope you make the same point the next time some liberal gun hater starts whining when another Loughner shoots someone and the libs want to blame the gun or the dealer who sold it or the municipality that did not ban guns etc

    Now please don't bring any truth into the debate, you'll really set off a confusion bomb. Some folks like living in "La La Land" and it suits them.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    So, an adult who provided a minor with alcohol then the minor then went out and ran someone over in the street driving drunk, the adult shouldn't be held responsible because the teen would have gotten the alcohol somewhere else?

    Only if they're from the Rebub party. Remember the Valarie Plame case? The Dems wanted those responsble hung high. But gun running and a dead American, under the Obama Admin, isn't something to to get all upset over.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Admittedly it's a bit absurd to compare the epic screwup of pushing the country into war based on false and faked up intelligence to a small law enforcement action, but it should be quite revealing. Surely all of you Holder haters were calling for GWB's impeachment ... right?
    Way to double down on the absurdity...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Way to double down on the absurdity...
    Way to keep dodging the question.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Way to keep dodging the question.
    Sorry... but the stupid burns in this case... why answer seriously to twice the absurdity that you even acknowledged? Sure you don't want to throw Hitler or Stalin in somewhere?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Way to keep dodging the question.

    Iraq, and F/F have NOTHING to do with each other. Sorry, you've lost this one.....


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Iraq, and F/F have NOTHING to do with each other. Sorry, you've lost this one.....


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    Which is usually the norm.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sorry... but the stupid burns in this case... why answer seriously to twice the absurdity that you even acknowledged? Sure you don't want to throw Hitler or Stalin in somewhere?
    No, I just want you to answer whether you gave the same kind of heat to a president who was responsible for 4000+ American deaths and countless injuries due to incompetence that you're giving to the current president over two deaths that most likely would have occurred anyway.

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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Iraq, and F/F have NOTHING to do with each other. Sorry, you've lost this one.....


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    The issue I'm raising is the feigned outrage of the far right. Thus the comparison.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, I just want you to answer whether you gave the same kind of heat to a president who was responsible for 4000+ American deaths and countless injuries due to incompetence that you're giving to the current president over two deaths that most likely would have occurred anyway.

    chirp chirp
    Why do people use this type of debate style? One has nothing to do with the other. It is a misdirection of the topic. Its the old, well "X" did this, so what is the big deal. If you want to debate Bush and the war, start another thread.

    IMO, Holder and the DOJ has been playing politics with F&F, and not in a good way. I look at the issue on its own merits. This one smells.

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