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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that's a bold piece of bull crap you are standing on
    as if the person who shot the agent would not have otherwise had another weapon to inflict the same mortal wound
    try again

    You can't be this dense? Whew!

    See this thread is about Fast and Furious, not about "another weapon".

    But who am I to bring some reality into a fairytale. Good luck.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    You can't be this dense? Whew!

    See this thread is about Fast and Furious, not about "another weapon".

    But who am I to bring some reality into a fairytale. Good luck.
    fairytale is an excellent assessment of what the wingers are whining about
    the agent died
    it's not as if he would not have died had his assassin used another weapon; one not made available due to the gun-walk
    love the fabricated outrage however; keep it going
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you have no reason to whine

    ... unless you can present an argument that but for the availability of the walked weapon that agent would still be alive
    and that is one you are without the ability to make
    I rarely call anyone a moron, yet you certainly are pressing the issue, endlessly repeting the same thing hoping it will somehow become true. A murder of an agent occured using a fast and fuzzy "observed" firearm, that much is fact. Rather than stopping the crime, taking the weapon into evidence and making an arrest the DOJ order was "just watch". You keep repeating WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... The 9/11 morons COULD HAVE used a stolen nuclear device, an alien ray gun or an Exxon-Mobile fuel tanker truck to crash into the Pentagon, but since they did not, we are dealing with our own airline industry security. As much as you love Obama and his buddies from Chicago, they still have actual jobs to do, for we the sheeple that PAY them, thus we expect them to do those jobs, and even to do them well. Get real!
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I rarely call anyone a moron, yet you certainly are pressing the issue, endlessly repeting the same thing hoping it will somehow become true. A murder of an agent occured using a fast and fuzzy "observed" firearm, that much is fact. Rather than stopping the crime, taking the weapon into evidence and making an arrest the DOJ order was "just watch". You keep repeating WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... The 9/11 morons COULD HAVE used a stolen nuclear device, an alien ray gun or an Exxon-Mobile fuel tanker truck to crash into the Pentagon, but since they did not, we are dealing with our own airline industry security. As much as you love Obama and his buddies from Chicago, they still have actual jobs to do, for we the sheeple that PAY them, thus we expect them to do those jobs, and even to do them well. Get real!
    i agree that moron is a word that comes to mind in reading posts within this thread
    had the person who shot and killed the agent not had a walked weapon he would have used another
    there would have been no change in circumstance
    only a moron would think otherwise
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i agree that moron is a word that comes to mind in reading posts within this thread
    had the person who shot and killed the agent not had a walked weapon he would have used another
    there would have been no change in circumstance
    only a moron would think otherwise
    we will hope you make the same point the next time some liberal gun hater starts whining when another Loughner shoots someone and the libs want to blame the gun or the dealer who sold it or the municipality that did not ban guns etc

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we will hope you make the same point the next time some liberal gun hater starts whining when another Loughner shoots someone and the libs want to blame the gun or the dealer who sold it or the municipality that did not ban guns etc
    glad you popped in
    why are y'all so incensed about assault weapons being in mexico while there is an adamant insistence that assault weapons be available to citizens in the USA
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    glad you popped in
    why are y'all so incensed about assault weapons being in mexico while there is an adamant insistence that assault weapons be available to citizens in the USA
    I couldn't care less about Mexico-if they didn't buy FAUX assault rifles from USA Dealers illegally they would get REAL ones from their own corrupt military and police as well as from Chavez who just had a Russian AK factory built in his country. What pisses me off is an anti gun administration that tries to create "facts" to ban our guns with this sort of nonsense. and yes, honest americans should be able to own real assault rifles (assault weapon is a term people who are either ignorant of weapons or who are anti gun parrots spew) since they are clearly constitutionally protected.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i agree that moron is a word that comes to mind in reading posts within this thread
    had the person who shot and killed the agent not had a walked weapon he would have used another
    there would have been no change in circumstance
    only a moron would think otherwise
    And what degree of certainty do we have that another crime wouldnt have been committed eventually with a different F&F weapon.

    Hypotheticals, they can say anything!
    Bubba, you are using terrible logic, it happened, someone needs to be held responsible for it. That is whoever authorized the straw buys and let them walk away without tracking.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Billy-
    you are using the same illogic the 'gun-grabbers' use when demanding tighter oversight of firearm sales.

    You also contradict the argument many gun owners have about just how many weapons come from the USofA.

    Finally you make it sound as if the ONLY weapons coming out of the USofA are Fast n Furious ones.

    The first one makes the idiotic argument that if a point of sale source is eliminated, the bad guys would not be able to find suitable weapons

    The Grab my Bible and Weapon crowd has long held the number of weapons leaving this country for Mexico is dwarfed by the military hardware coming out of Central/South America, (some is the 'contra' weaponry floating around from a previous administration but shhhhhh) so the badguys have plenty of other sources for weapons.

    So bet your ass the badguys would have been at least as well armed no matter the source.

    A brave agent died in the line of duty. That is a tragedy. No one is belittling his sacrifice or his family's grief.

    No One

    But I do think some very cynical politics is being played using the Agent's death.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Billy-
    you are using the same illogic the 'gun-grabbers' use when demanding tighter oversight of firearm sales.

    You also contradict the argument many gun owners have about just how many weapons come from the USofA.

    Finally you make it sound as if the ONLY weapons coming out of the USofA are Fast n Furious ones.
    Almost every traceable weapon in the world comes from the U.S.A. not because we have the most but because we are one of the only countries that requires a serial number to be stamped on the weapon. The only reason for F&F was to have traceable weapons in the wrong hands for tracking, the reasons for such are suspect which is why this is one reason it's a problem. The second and more pressing reason is that because the first time this program was tried it was deemed to be too hard to control effectively, and the current administration tried it yet again, this time with human lives lost on both sides of the border, that is unforgiveable.

    The first one makes the idiotic argument that if a point of sale source is eliminated, the bad guys would not be able to find suitable weapons
    Bad guys will get their hands on weapons, no question, in any situation and in any country they always do. The thing is though that a government should never be complicit in the process.

    The Grab my Bible and Weapon crowd has long held the number of weapons leaving this country for Mexico is dwarfed by the military hardware coming out of Central/South America, (some is the 'contra' weaponry floating around from a previous administration but shhhhhh) so the badguys have plenty of other sources for weapons.
    No argument here.

    So bet your ass the badguys would have been at least as well armed no matter the source.
    Possibly better armed TBH. This does not excuse a government action allowing such to happen and with loss of life, this is the main contention. Any civilian who engaged in the F&F tactics would be an old man when they finally saw the free side of a prison gate.

    A brave agent died in the line of duty. That is a tragedy. No one is belittling his sacrifice or his family's grief.
    I don't think most people are. But when someone says it's a "non-issue" I personally assert that that particular statement is belittlement of the situation(not accusing you of this BTW).

    No One

    But I do think some very cynical politics is being played using the Agent's death.
    I think the partisans are in fact drawing lines in the sand. I am not, this whole situation is a gross abuse of power and innocent people have lost their lives because of a very stupid federal tactic, that is not a partisan problem, that is a crying shame.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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