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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

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    No, the weapon is completely legal, as no title, receipt or registration is required for the legality of the weapon, only the PURCHASER broke the law, as they signed paperwork assuring that it was NOT a 'straw purchase'.
    True, but once the weapon is involved in a felony it is not legitimate for transfer. If the paperwork is done incorrectly for a bulk purchase all guns involved become illegitimate. I don't agree with that law, but it is the law.
    The Mexican gun laws are none of our concern, just as the Ohio gun laws are of no great concern to Texans. Making things illegal, rather than the actions performed with those things is the liberals favorite ploy, separating personal responsibility (and individual rights) from gov't responsibility (and collective rights). My having a gun is of no more concern to you than my having a car, so long as I neither shoot you nor run you over. ;-)
    Totally agree with this. But as things stand federal gun laws are complete BS but until they are reigned in we have to deal with it.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Just out of curiosity, did you support the Iraq war?


    I should have known, when all else fails in a debate, expect someone to change the subject by dragging a red herring across the trail.


    What does my supporting or not supporting any war have to do with "Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress"?


    The better question is - Do you support what the Obama Administration and AG Holder are doing in the Fast and Furious mess? Do you think the AG is coming clean or lying through his teeth? Do you think he should be held in contempt of Congress because he won't supply the requested documents?

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    We know the game. To some the ends justify the means, even if a son, father, etc. will never see another day with their loved ones, but hey, the ideology advances so those who adhere to it don't care.


    We also know that if this had happened under a Repub Admin, the hue and cry would be heard loud and clear and all over.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I should have known, when all else fails in a debate, expect someone to change the subject by dragging a red herring across the trail.


    What does my supporting or not supporting any war have to do with "Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress"?


    The better question is - Do you support what the Obama Administration and AG Holder are doing in the Fast and Furious mess? Do you think the AG is coming clean or lying through his teeth? Do you think he should be held in contempt of Congress because he won't supply the requested documents?
    I'm just curious if the people who are crying crocodile tears over these two officers who were killed we're also outraged by the 4000+ American troops who were killed, and the tens of thousands who were wounded, as a result of the Bush administration's ****ed up policy. Just by way of rooting out the real hypocrites, dontcha know.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm just curious if the people who are crying crocodile tears over these two officers who were killed we're also outraged by the 4000+ American troops who were killed, and the tens of thousands who were wounded, as a result of the Bush administration's ****ed up policy. Just by way of rooting out the real hypocrites, dontcha know.

    Sure that's your objective.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm just curious if the people who are crying crocodile tears over these two officers who were killed we're also outraged by the 4000+ American troops who were killed, and the tens of thousands who were wounded, as a result of the Bush administration's ****ed up policy. Just by way of rooting out the real hypocrites, dontcha know.
    So you're comparing a Congressional approved military action to the DoJ loosing track of thousands of guns over the Mexico border.



    You still have a chance to throw in Hitler somewhere and go for the full monte.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're comparing a Congressional approved military action to the DoJ loosing track of thousands of guns over the Mexico border.



    You still have a chance to throw in Hitler somewhere and go for the full monte.

    . . . . . That's funny.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're comparing a Congressional approved military action to the DoJ loosing track of thousands of guns over the Mexico border.



    You still have a chance to throw in Hitler somewhere and go for the full monte.
    Admittedly it's a bit absurd to compare the epic screwup of pushing the country into war based on false and faked up intelligence to a small law enforcement action, but it should be quite revealing. Surely all of you Holder haters were calling for GWB's impeachment ... right?
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Admittedly it's a bit absurd to compare the epic screwup of pushing the country into war based on false and faked up intelligence to a small law enforcement action, but it should be quite revealing. Surely all of you Holder haters were calling for GWB's impeachment ... right?

    I know, since you certainly would make up a comment like - "pushing the country into war based on false and faked up intelligence " - you have hard evidence to support this claim, yes?

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm just curious if the people who are crying crocodile tears over these two officers who were killed we're also outraged by the 4000+ American troops who were killed, and the tens of thousands who were wounded, as a result of the Bush administration's ****ed up policy. Just by way of rooting out the real hypocrites, dontcha know.
    Off topic. When we go to a Congressional approved military action Mexico, ask that question again.
    Last edited by Prof. Peabody; 06-12-12 at 08:23 PM.
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