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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Tell that to Agent Terry's family. He wasn't killed by another weapon. He was killed with a Holder sanctioned weapon, period.

    Doctrine of the far left: Deny all culpability and responsibility; nothing new here.
    I don't get the whole game of going after those wanting to hold Holder accountable. Those saying we are trying to put a thumb in the eye of the administration aren't getting something.......we aren't making anything up, the most damning evidence is out in the open. To really hammer the point home, there is a reason we aren't going after Holder for things we have no evidence of such as possession and distribution of illegal porn because we don't think he did that and we have no reason to believe such. We aren't going after Holder for attempt to overthrow the government because of the prior standard. We DO know that that the administration let guns illegally purchased and transferred walk across the U.S. border into criminal hands despite evidence from the prior administration that there was no way to keep track of them, which led to criminal use taking the lives of not only innocent Mexican citizens but one U.S. border patrol agent as well.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't get the whole game of going after those wanting to hold Holder accountable. Those saying we are trying to put a thumb in the eye of the administration aren't getting something.......we aren't making anything up, the most damning evidence is out in the open. To really hammer the point home, there is a reason we aren't going after Holder for things we have no evidence of such as possession and distribution of illegal porn because we don't think he did that and we have no reason to believe such. We aren't going after Holder for attempt to overthrow the government because of the prior standard. We DO know that that the administration let guns illegally purchased and transferred walk across the U.S. border into criminal hands despite evidence from the prior administration that there was no way to keep track of them, which led to criminal use taking the lives of not only innocent Mexican citizens but one U.S. border patrol agent as well.

    The biggest thing at this point is the cover up, as it always is...Holder is just the stooge, the patsy, the shield for someone higher up that cooked this insanely stupid plan up.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The biggest thing at this point is the cover up, as it always is...Holder is just the stooge, the patsy, the shield for someone higher up that cooked this insanely stupid plan up.

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    I would even be willing to give benefit of the doubt if the operation had never been tried before, and if the stated purpose was believable. The administration rhetoric was that of embarrasing gun owners prior to the facts coming out and then the rhetoric all of a sudden changed, this was just a complete disaster and because it wasn't done with full accountability it is IMO criminal.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You do realize that "another weapon" wouldn't be charged to the organizers of F&F correct? If an illegally obtained weapon came from another country it wouldn't even have a SN thus wouldn't be traceable, as well, the SN on the weapon that killed agent Terry was registered back to the federal action which makes them culpable. There really isn't any wiggle room here.
    and i still wait for you to tell us what would have changed had that agent been shot with another weapon instead

    i do realize you have nothing, which is why all on the fringe are avoiding that question like the plague
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and i still wait for you to tell us what would have changed had that agent been shot with another weapon instead

    i do realize you have nothing, which is why all on the fringe are avoiding that question like the plague
    LOL! I did, it's up to you to be honest and admit that the weapon used was traced back to the operation in question. If the weapon wasn't traced back to the operation in question Holder wouldn't be getting reamed in front of Congress right now.
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    LOL! I did, it's up to you to be honest and admit that the weapon used was traced back to the operation in question. If the weapon wasn't traced back to the operation in question Holder wouldn't be getting reamed in front of Congress right now.
    so you acknowledge, other giving the fringe an opportunity to whine at the Obama administration (for following dicknbush strategy) not one thing would have been changed had that agent been shoot using another weapon
    much ado about nothing
    i know that won't stop this ilk; because they have nothing else to whine about relative to Obama
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and i still wait for you to tell us what would have changed had that agent been shot with another weapon instead

    i do realize you have nothing, which is why all on the fringe are avoiding that question like the plague
    He wasnt shot with another weapon.

    What Holder, DOJ and the ATF are covering up is that they aided and abetted drug cartels in gaining weapons more easily and cheaply than they normally would have. And it was done with the aimed goal of proliferating illegal weapons near the border as an excuse to get stiffer gun control laws.

    With the operation going as it was, it was a matter of time before a US border agent was killed with a F&F weapon. If it hadnt been Agent Terry it would have soon enough been another agent.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you acknowledge, other giving the fringe an opportunity to whine at the Obama administration (for following dicknbush strategy) not one thing would have been changed had that agent been shoot using another weapon
    much ado about nothing
    i know that won't stop this ilk; because they have nothing else to whine about relative to Obama
    Reading comprehension is a critical skill. I didn't mince words, they reengaged an operation that had prior failure and was ill advised, they let illegal weapons get into the hands of these really bad people, and then really good people got murdered by those ill advised actions. The weapons in question had these numbers on them, that go in a serial order, for the purposes of the conversation we'll call these serial numbers. On a federal form or business invoice these numbers get recorded, and some of the numbers were on the murder weapons, we'll call that a clue.

    Now, stay with me. These numbers that were on the weapons matched the paperwork involved in the operation, which means? Anybody, anybody?
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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you acknowledge, other giving the fringe an opportunity to whine at the Obama administration (for following dicknbush strategy) not one thing would have been changed had that agent been shoot using another weapon
    much ado about nothing
    i know that won't stop this ilk; because they have nothing else to whine about relative to Obama
    What the hell difference does it make ????? He WAS shot with an illegal gun supplied by Holder and company, so your attempt to deflect is amusing.

    What a hack.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The biggest thing at this point is the cover up, as it always is...Holder is just the stooge, the patsy, the shield for someone higher up that cooked this insanely stupid plan up.

    j-mac
    The REAL issue is NOT what they are covering up, since we know the WHAT, it is the WHY that they can not afford to divulge. I firmly believe that the PURPOSE for fast & fuzzy was to ensure that TRACEABLE weapons, proven to have come from licensed, legal, federal firearms dealers would be tied to the drug cartels. That was STEP ONE, but what was STEP TWO?

    I assert that was the REAL reason for both the original f&f operation AND surely for the cover up, since I believe that step two was stricter GUN CONTROL LAWS to prevent the very crime ALLOWED (caused only?) by fast & fuzzy; using multiple straw buyers to "pool" purchases of firearms to supply criminal gangs. Any moron knows that buying large quantities of semi-automatic arms at full US retail prices (plus tax) is stupid, especially adding on the fees paid to the straw buyers and other "middle men". The cartels are not stupid, lazy yes, but stupid no.

    The cartels were in on the deal too, to reduce the resistance to their own members "working" in the US; the cartels can get weapons from anywhere in the world (and fully automatic, for less money, as well), just as they get their drugs (which easily enter the US too) but, the local gangs they wish to overpower in the US, can not. The cartels are very much in favor of ending US 2nd amendment rights, just like the liberals are, just for "slightly" different reasons. ;-)
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