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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You haven't contradicted what I wrote. What they did was incompetent — not illegal. They were going after the bigger fish so they didn't want to arrest the low-level stooges who were sent out to pick up the guns. Unfortunately they had no realistic plan to track the guns.
    Where did I claim it was illegal. It didn't have to be illegal to be to the level that heads should roll.

    But........it was illegal for Holder to blatantly lie under oath to Congress about it. It's always the coverup that gets people.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, then you are not concerned about holder's apparent misleading statements to congress
    you are not actually concerned that assault weapons from the USA wound up being used on an American LEO
    you are simply concerned about how we broke mexico's laws ... without offering any cites to show us how outraged the mexican government is about our country's (in)actions
    got it
    thanks for your clarification
    In fact Mexico WAS very upset with us ... For not doing enough to stop the flow of guns into their country!

    Mexico's Calderon urges Obama, Congress to tighten gun laws - Washington Times
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

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    Where did I claim it was illegal..
    Here:

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    Gun trafficking is illegal in the U.S., yet the Justice Dept. sat on their hands and watched traffickers buy thousands of guns here and take them illegally across the border.
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

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    Here:



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    Gun trafficking IS illegal.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    So then you are not concerned with Watergate
    you are not actually concerned with Iran-Contra
    you are not concerned with Guantanamo Bay

    All you are concerned about is that guns are being sold in the U.S.

    Thanks for the clarification... see how silly your post looks now ??
    you did expose some significant silliness with that post; on that we agree
    you also exposed that you have nowhere else to hide on this issue
    your side's hypocrisy has been exposed
    if you support assault weapons sales in the USA then why would you have basis to object to them in mexico
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you did expose some significant silliness with that post; on that we agree
    you also exposed that you have nowhere else to hide on this issue
    your side's hypocrisy has been exposed
    if you support assault weapons sales in the USA then why would you have basis to object to them in mexico
    I'll be happy to discuss this with you when you decide to have an intelligent conversation, rather than the drivel you are unfortunately prone to produce.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was a sting operation. LEO's are allowed to break the law in effort to enforce the law. It happens every single day in this country. The problem in this case, and in previous cases under Bush, was that the operations were poorly designed.


    It's really stupid when you do it with firearms. Remember, people have gotten killed over this illegal atrocity the US government committed.

    Not only did Holder and gang violate US law, they also violated international law knowing the firearms would be going across an international border without approval from the country in which they entered.
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    Generalizations are stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why are you not similarly alarmed that such weapons are publicly - and openly - exchanged within our own society
    why is that OK, while similar weapon transactions in mexico are so egregious
    What a trolling hack. This is probably the most inane and asinine post I've seen at DP. Get a clue; then come back and have an informed discussion.

    Ever heard of the Bill of Rights? See Amendment #2.

    The problem wasn't the weapons transaction in Mexico, it was the weapons that were sold illegally in the US that were knowingly, by the US government, being taken illegally into Mexico.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

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    It's really stupid when you do it with firearms. Remember, people have gotten killed over this illegal atrocity the US government committed.

    Not only did Holder and gang violate US law, they also violated international law knowing the firearms would be going across an international border without approval from the country in which they entered.
    I have no doubt that the victims here would have been killed with or without operation fast and furious. Do you really think the cartels couldn't have gotten guns any other way? Recall that the operation was undertaken because the cartels had virtually unlimited access to to the US gun market. So let's stop pretending that the operation provided them something that they wouldn't have obtained very easily from another source.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Eric Holder grilled over Fast and Furious in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    While the liberals are diverting, doing the jig, side stepping and trying their darndest in this threat to change the subject and muddy the water.... the result really comes down to "Holder lied" and is himself trying to divert Congress. Issa knows this, and of course it's obvious that he's covering up his departments actions... so there's a few outcomes.


    - Someone will fall on the sword for Holder & Obama's administration
    - Holder will himself be thrown under the bus as the sacrifice to make this go away
    - Delay delay delay until after the election
    - Holder will be held in contempt successfully and perhaps impeachment proceedings start prior to November
    - Nothing happens until after the election

    I really cannot see the Administration or Holder providing anything, or admitting anything until after November. If they can find a patsy to fall on the sword and still retain deniability, in that this DoJ person went off the reservation on their own - great. If not, deny deny deny. If Congress can force the issue and corner Holder or bring to light even more information making Obama look bad, Holder is the lamb to the slaughter, and damage control needs to start by Axelrod & Co. Frankly, I think Issa may get Holder in contempt prior to November... but more likely either "deny deny deny" or "nothing happens" is most likely.

    I vote for "- Someone will fall on the sword for Holder & Obama's administration
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    But your list was thorough.

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