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    UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    BBC News - Syria UN team 'shot at' near Qubair 'massacre site'


    This is starting to remind me of Rwanda, the UN mess around trying to get clear evidence that this is now genocide but are stopped, meanwhile the killing continues and our world leaders sit around pointing the fingers at each other. What did we say after Rwanda " never again"?
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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Syria UN team 'shot at' near Qubair 'massacre site'


    This is starting to remind me of Rwanda, the UN mess around trying to get clear evidence that this is now genocide but are stopped, meanwhile the killing continues and our world leaders sit around pointing the fingers at each other. What did we say after Rwanda " never again"?
    The main problem is that we think the UN is going to accomplish anything.

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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    The main problem is that we think the UN is going to accomplish anything.
    well exactly the UN was established to prevent genocide, war, etc.
    "The UN Charter obliges all member nations to promote "universal respect for, and observance of, human rights" and to take "joint and separate action" to that end."

    Over the last 20 years it has become more and more ineffective to the point its starting to look like the old leauge of nations, at the end of the day if there is nothing in it for us developed nations we seem to be fine with just looking the other way.
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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    well exactly the UN was established to prevent genocide, war, etc.
    "The UN Charter obliges all member nations to promote "universal respect for, and observance of, human rights" and to take "joint and separate action" to that end."

    Over the last 20 years it has become more and more ineffective to the point its starting to look like the old leauge of nations, at the end of the day if there is nothing in it for us developed nations we seem to be fine with just looking the other way.
    I would argue it has never been effective -- except in the cases of disease eradication. In terms of conflict prevention -- they are a total failure in my view.

    The Charter also spells out the actions nations are supposed to take in this regard -- which is refer it to the Security Council. In the case of Syria, with Russia backing Syria, there is nothing that can be done through the UN.

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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    The UN is completely toothless, a huge hole to pour U.S. money into that has "diverse" (non-existant?) standards for "human rights". Yes, it is plain to see that a country using military force on its civilian disenters is wrong. Did Russia not do this? Did China not do this? Do many nations in Africa still do this? Well of course they did/do yet are not "sanctioned" by the UN at all, some are in positions of extreme UN "power". The UN must first decide why ANY other nation should "do something" in Syria, then appoint some of these "member nations" (in the middle east, hint, hint) to do it. But that is not even possible since the UN can not make any nation do anything. The UN does not even see that the neighboring nations, plainly do not care. Why should the US or any "superpower" care? Indeed we the U.S. "look the other way" as their is NO alternative, if you touch it, then you own it, as we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan after over a decade of "coalition forces" muddling along in a stalemate. This is a Syrian internal power struggle, trying to become a "civil war", no more and no less. The UN is kidding itself that it can do anything; I say we stop or GREATLY reduce funding these UN pompous morons until they actually do something worthwhile. The current lunacy in Iran/Syria would be a good start for UN finally getting some "balls" and forcing (as if it could) other mideast nations to put up or shut up.
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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Over the last 20 years it has become more and more ineffective to the point its starting to look like the old leauge of nations, at the end of the day if there is nothing in it for us developed nations we seem to be fine with just looking the other way.
    When was the UN ever effective? It has no teeth. Anything done by the UN before was because the USA was footing the bill and leading the way. Once Third World nations began running the show, the US dropped back and we see the present state of affairs.

    Korea? USA lead the way.

    Bosnia? USA lead the way.

    Somalia? USA lead the way. Once the USA backed out, the country descended into chaos.

    Rwanda? No USA so nothing was done.

    The only different action since WWII was Libya, with France leading the way, but everyone knew the USA was supporting it from the rear. If the US had refused to participate, I seriously doubt the situation would have turned out as it did.

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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    When was the UN ever effective? It has no teeth. Anything done by the UN before was because the USA was footing the bill and leading the way. Once Third World nations began running the show, the US dropped back and we see the present state of affairs.

    Korea? USA lead the way.

    Bosnia? USA lead the way.

    Somalia? USA lead the way. Once the USA backed out, the country descended into chaos.

    Rwanda? No USA so nothing was done.

    The only different action since WWII was Libya, with France leading the way, but everyone knew the USA was supporting it from the rear. If the US had refused to participate, I seriously doubt the situation would have turned out as it did.
    No to Libya as UK and French planes were already bombing Libya while Obama decided which course to take but I agree on most of your other point. Sadly the fact of the matter is America has had by far the strongest military and economy since WW2 and have had to lead the way. I think America should use its position to force the UN to make a move, threaten to cut funding or to withdraw completley and lets see how fast they mobilze UN troops.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No to Libya as UK and French planes were already bombing Libya while Obama decided which course to take but I agree on most of your other point. Sadly the fact of the matter is America has had by far the strongest military and economy since WW2 and have had to lead the way. I think America should use its position to force the UN to make a move, threaten to cut funding or to withdraw completley and lets see how fast they mobilze UN troops.
    There is no such thing as "UN troops" -- and if we did that, our bluff would be called and we would look like idiots.

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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    There is no such thing as "UN troops" -- and if we did that, our bluff would be called and we would look like idiots.
    well there is such a thing as UN troops they are currently serving in many different countries as peacekeepers representing their own countries. The UN has enough "peacekeeps" to send into Syria to get this mess under control.
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    Re: UN monitor team shot at by Syrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    well there is such a thing as UN troops they are currently serving in many different countries as peacekeepers representing their own countries. The UN has enough "peacekeeps" to send into Syria to get this mess under control.
    It does not work that way. The UN cannot simply "redeploy" soliders serving on those missions.

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