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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

I've always thought highly of Gary Johnson. He seems like a very practical man, almost logical.
 
What ? You think that I am going to waste time looking up data to post for you, when IMMHO you should already be aware of it as a poster here ?

Here's what you can do, if you want to know. Google "Government employee unions pensions benefits" and then add a state name. I suggest beginning with Califonia, and Illinois.

As for you expecting to be given a handout, I will refer to the Cinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

You don't have to look up jack. It's obvious that you haven't and don't. My source link in an earlier post provided the data concerning campaign donations, expenditures, advertising, etc., etc. You do have to read it, however.

As to backing up your earlier statement. You didn't, and as I said, you can't. It's obvious that you don't have the appropriate data because you can't provide it. That's fine. Be like Conservative and admit that you don't really want to know if what you believe is factual. Just make the assumptions and say, "Hey, I don't expect you to accept what I believe because I didn't actually come to a logical conclusion. If I can't provide sources I don't actually have and, and you know what, I'm not going to review any sources anyway. I'll believe what people tell me to believe as long as it sounds like what I want to believe."
 
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I've always thought highly of Gary Johnson. He seems like a very practical man, almost logical.

That's probably the biggest thing he has going against him. No matter, at this point I'm looking to vote for him.
 
You don't have to look up jack. It's obvious that you haven't and don't. My source link in an earlier post provided the data concerning campaign donations, expenditures, advertising, etc., etc. You do have to read it, however.

As to backing up your earlier statement. You didn't, and as I said you can't. It's obvious that you don't have the appropriate data because you can't provide it. That's fine. Be like Conservative and admit that you don't really want to know if what you believe is factual. Just make the assumptions and say, "Hey, I don't expect you to accept what I believe because I didn't actually come to a logical conclusion. If I can't provide sources, I don't actually have and, and you know what, I'm not going to review any sources anyway. I'll believe what people tell me to believe as long as it sounds like what I want to believe."

And this happens far too much from the same folk.
 
I don't necessarily agree with the outcome of the election but the way this was carried out was good. Walker has decided to demonize 11.5% of the country's population and the unions demonstrated the political cluster**** that they can cause. I doubt there will be many governors looking to go through this kind of **** anywhere else in the US. Good job Walker, in one shot you've become a political pariah, made most governors apprehensive about going up against unions and ensured that most think twice before removing collective bargaining rights. I really hope it was worth it.
 
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What ? You think that I am going to waste time looking up data to post for you, when IMMHO you should already be aware of it as a poster here ?

Here's what you can do, if you want to know. Google "Government employee unions pensions benefits" and then add a state name. I suggest beginning with Califonia, and Illinois.

As for you expecting to be given a handout, I will refer to the Cinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

The modern version of that proverb is teach a lib to fish and he'll just ask for more fish.
 
The modern version of that proverb is teach a lib to fish and he'll just ask for more fish.

Or... teach a conservative to debate and he'll still troll.
 
The modern version of that proverb is teach a lib to fish and he'll just ask for more fish.


And of course Mrs. Paul is glad to supply

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At a profit of course.....
 
I've always thought highly of Gary Johnson. He seems like a very practical man, almost logical.

Best line I heard him say when they finally let him speak in a debate once was... "I'm at least still liked in the state that I was a governor of."
 
And this happens far too much from the same folk.

It does. I damn sure don't have all the information about anything. If I believe I do have good information and you ask me to source it, I will. If you have information that proves me in error I want that information. When I am wrong I want to know why so that I can be correct.

Truth prevails. Refusal to search for truth and consider information provided by other people doesn't change whatever truth might be. Refusal to consider information that supports an opposing position flat out guarantees that you'll be willfully ignorant on more than a few occasions.

Vance brought up a few questions earlier about negative publicity that Walker received. I frankly had not thought about the fact that it may have required a little more PR to turn that around. I don't know it yet as I am still trying to find a few articles and reports. But Vance may have a point. I am happy he brought it up. I will learn from it one way or the other.
 
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit on his ass in a boat and drink beer all day.
 
I haven't been keeping up with this thread since I posted earlier today but I just want to say this. The folks who tried to get Walker recalled did what they thought was right. Whatever the cost, they followed the rules and used a political system in place and had every right to do it, just as the pro Walker people had every right to what they did to defend themselves against the recall effort. This is what should happen, rather than, say, violence or whatever. To those who say this isn't an indication of how the election will go in November, I agree with you. I also don't think 53% is exactly a landslide. Obviously, I'm happy this turned out the way it did, just as I was happy when Scott Brown won in Massachusetts, but the game of politics carries on, and there's no doubt that there will be other outcomes that I will not be so pleased with (I remember 2008 when the Dems won everything). Still, I'd much rather see people give a ****, even if they don't agree with me, than have people not care one way other the other.
 
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The thing that gets me about conservatives is that they have this fantasy view of life where everything works according to these talk radio platitudes, and they really really could not care less if their platitudes bear the slightest relation to reality.

For the 1700th time, I don't listen to talk radio, I don't like Rush and I really don't like Sean Hannity that much either. Bill Oreilly is cool with me, he's not a far right nut job. Glenn Beck is "ok" but he gets too far right and crazy as well.

I'm a conservative, not a far right nut job. I'm mainly concerned with getting our fiscal houses in order, before we go damn bankrupt. We need a proper balance of taxes, regulation, welfare and services, too much or too little of either would send us off the cliff, don't you agree?

I'm not against welfare and services, I'M FOR THOSE THINGS, what I'm against are people who milk the system along with the excess waste in the system. Welfare should be a bridge back up into the middle class, not a bed setup to sleep off the government benefits for life UNLESS you are mentally/physically sick and incapable of providing for yourself.

I'm for services, public safety, fire, police, roads, education, I'm for ALL OF THAT. What I'm not for are useless teachers that actually should pick another profession, wasteful and bloated pensions, wasted tax dollars that go to corruption and lobbyists INSTEAD of to direct services. Plus an education system that has only 44% of black males graduating on time, an education system that has been dumbed down and coming out of high school you are really just as dumb as you were coming in.

I'm FOR the proper balance of regulation, government should be a referee and watching over the game, NOT shooting free throws. The problem is when socialistic and communist style methods get implemented into the federal and state governments where the government starts to become too involved and regulate too much that it hurts the private sector, mainly the small businesses. That's what I'm against.

I'm FOR taxation, we HAVE to pay taxes and support our government or we don't have a damn country. What I'm AGAINST it over-taxing to compensate for wasteful spending, increases in spending to fund socialistic styles of governing, increases in spending to create more welfare and pensions so people can further milk the system, and over-taxing to cover the various forms of corruption. Then over-taxing for class warfare, because you know "that rich guy" has too much money and he doesn't deserve all that money, yes I know he worked his a.ss off for 20 years to get to where he's at but you know...he doesn't "deserve" that money. This is the sh*t I'm against.

I'm just a conservative, just like most conservatives. We just want a proper balance of government, the way government should be. Liberals want the government to actually play more of a role in the private sector, which gets us to the Keynesian and Socialistic style of governing, which means taxes go up, the national debt goes up, our credit rating continues to fall, we have low growth rates, wasteful spending goes up and regulations go up...who gets hurt as a result of that? The small business owner. If the small business owner gets hurt, who else gets hurt? The middle class. If the middle class gets hurt, what else gets hurt? The economy.

Liberals don't want to reform sh*t, liberals want to THROW OUT the capitalistic system in total and replace it with a socialistic style of governing. Conservatives want to keep the current system in place, fix its wrongs and continue to move on being the number one country on Earth.

You Liberals think big government is the answer, all big government does is foster more corruption. Trust me, I'm AGAINST the corruption on Wallstreet, but if you think the corruption on Wallstreet is something, just keep giving the government more and more power. You haven't seen NOTHING yet.
 
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Oh, Good Lord,, you think funding was more important than people voting their own pocket books? Results matter and Walker has generated some good results which is what matters. Wherever Walker got his money is irrelevant because people are always going to vote their pocket books.

Good results being? He said he balanced the budget, but he did not. He is paying down the interest on the deficit and by using some accounting tricks makes it look as though he has paid off the state deficit. He has been dead-last in the nation as far as job creation. He said he reduced taxes, however, by reducing the earned-income credit, and removing the homestead credit he has effectively raised the taxes on the poorest in the state. He has had nearly 2 years now to turn this state around, when is it going to happen?

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...ott-walker-says-he-eliminated-wisconsins-36-/

PolitiFact | Inside the Walker tax debate: Was budget an increase or a cut?

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Walk-O-Meter: Create 250,000 new jobs
 
Good results being? He said he balanced the budget, but he did not. He is paying down the interest on the deficit and by using some accounting tricks makes it look as though he has paid off the state deficit. He has been dead-last in the nation as far as job creation. He said he reduced taxes, however, by reducing the earned-income credit, and removing the homestead credit he has effectively raised the taxes on the poorest in the state. He has had nearly 2 years now to turn this state around, when is it going to happen?

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Gov. Scott Walker says he eliminated Wisconsin

PolitiFact | Inside the Walker tax debate: Was budget an increase or a cut?

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Walk-O-Meter: Create 250,000 new jobs


Actually, Wisconsin is ranked 24th in job creation (well above dead last) and has a lower than average unemployment rate.
 
Good results being? He said he balanced the budget, but he did not. He is paying down the interest on the deficit and by using some accounting tricks makes it look as though he has paid off the state deficit. He has been dead-last in the nation as far as job creation. He said he reduced taxes, however, by reducing the earned-income credit, and removing the homestead credit he has effectively raised the taxes on the poorest in the state. He has had nearly 2 years now to turn this state around, when is it going to happen?

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Gov. Scott Walker says he eliminated Wisconsin

PolitiFact | Inside the Walker tax debate: Was budget an increase or a cut?

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Walk-O-Meter: Create 250,000 new jobs

It is also nice to hear that a progressive believes that after 2 years you should have full control of the economy you are in charge of. Now someone let the rest of the lefties know so we can get rid of Obama. He had 4 years.
 
Actually, Wisconsin is ranked 24th in job creation (well above dead last) and has a lower than average unemployment rate.

Are you counting just private sector jobs or private + public?
 
It is also nice to hear that a progressive believes that after 2 years you should have full control of the economy you are in charge of. Now someone let the rest of the lefties know so we can get rid of Obama. He had 4 years.

I was going to say, Conservatives were railing against Obama after a year in office, so Walker has had twice the time Obama had before you guys freaked the F out..
 
I was going to say, Conservatives were railing against Obama after a year in office, so Walker has had twice the time Obama had before you guys freaked the F out..

Wisconsin Progressive? LOL, what a surprise!! the election is over, Walker won, get over it.
 
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I was going to say, Conservatives were railing against Obama after a year in office, so Walker has had twice the time Obama had before you guys freaked the F out..

Not sure who "you guys" are, but how would you respond to a recall effort?
 
To me it’s a simple case of the people of Wisconsin voicing their opinion, placing their vote, and the results are in. They want to give Walker his term in office. The why and wherefores of what the outcome of the recall election is now a mute point.

The liberals are looking for excuses, so they use the money, which I find a bit hilarious, you don’t see them saying anything about Obama out spending McCain in the presidential election, I guess to them outspending only counts when they get outspent and lose??

The majority of the people in Wisconsin have spoken,

The majority of people in Wisonsin are uneducated dolts who were duped into thinking that any state money available due to walker's policies will be returned to them--the taxpayers, instead of subsidies to other private businesses/individuals.
 
Actually, Wisconsin is ranked 24th in job creation (well above dead last) and has a lower than average unemployment rate.

One of you has supporting links. The other... not so much.
 
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