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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

Did you read the article dated TODAY

MSNBC called the election for Walker due to exit polls with about 10% of precincts reporting or somewhere around that. Exit polls generally are near target. Or at least nearer than pre-existing polls.
 
That is fail article that ignores all the facts from the exit poll. It fails as much as you do here on a daily basis.

Aw, yes, I failed and continue to fail as the election results showed last night. It is obvious that you didn't even read the article nor do you care about anything that refutes your ideology.
 
MSNBC called the election for Walker due to exit polls with about 10% of precincts reporting or somewhere around that. Exit polls generally are near target. Or at least nearer than pre-existing polls.

That isn't what CNN did nor did any other network and I doubt that MSNBC called the election with 10% of the vote counted. Obviously you didn't read the article.
 
They certainly have the right but that doesn't change the fact that they get their paychecks from the taxpayers

So does anybody who works for a private company on government contracts when you get down to it. Think about it, when the Air Force needs a bomber, they go to Lockheed Martin or Boeing (or wherever). Lockheed's employees work for Lockheed, but indirectly their checks come from taxpayers.

Lockheed's employees have the right to do as they please with their money, don't they?
 
So does anybody who works for a private company on government contracts when you get down to it. Think about it, when the Air Force needs a bomber, they go to Lockheed Martin or Boeing (or wherever). Lockheed's employees work for Lockheed, but indirectly their checks come from taxpayers.

Lockheed's employees have the right to do as they please with their money, don't they?

What a bunch of bs, figure out who pays public service employees and get back to me. Every dollar paid to a public service employee comes from the taxpayers not so a private company that has the govt. as a customer. You don't seem to understand the difference.
 
Here are, according to the info he posted, the worst states (by far). There is a large drop off to get to the next level. Only one of the five worst are right to work.
California $21,300
Illinois 17,000
New Jersey 10,500
Texas 10,000
New York 8,200

Uuuuh, dude.... Those figures represent TOTALs -- not per capita, so it's obviously overweighting populous and high-cost-of-living states.
 
They certainly have the right but that doesn't change the fact that they get their paychecks from the taxpayers

your fact is irrelevant. the money is theirs. you agree with property rights I hope.
 
I'm pretty sure the entire discussion is based on what people think is best for the people. Some think collective bargaining is and some think it isn't. Those are the sides among others that people are defending and they're mostly about what's good for "the people."
I would disagree. I see a whole lot of people discussing the evil attack on 'unions' with all the petty accompanying rhetoric. Hell...I see the blind defense of Walker. Ive asked the questions here several times...no one seems to know or care. What was the economic future of Wisconsin pre Walker, and what is it now. People dont care about the reality...they care about their 'causes'
 
I agree that policy discussion would be more beneficial but what do you honestly expect at election time other than horse-race results as the discussion?
Sadly...we are NEVER out of an election cycle anymore. One of the reasons I would very much favor 4 year congressional terms.
 
I would disagree. I see a whole lot of people discussing the evil attack on 'unions' with all the petty accompanying rhetoric. Hell...I see the blind defense of Walker. Ive asked the questions here several times...no one seems to know or care. What was the economic future of Wisconsin pre Walker, and what is it now. People dont care about the reality...they care about their 'causes'

Like most states, Wisconsin had budget problems due to the recession. Also like most states, they have a balanced budget amendment so that was going to happen one way or another. Under Walker, Wisconsin has had the worst job creation record of any state in the country. Walker's jobs record an unmitigated disaster - JSOnline
 
Sadly...we are NEVER out of an election cycle anymore. One of the reasons I would very much favor 4 year congressional terms.

Or how about implementing the Mexican presidential ONLY 1 six year term? That'd be nice.
 
I would disagree. I see a whole lot of people discussing the evil attack on 'unions' with all the petty accompanying rhetoric. Hell...I see the blind defense of Walker. Ive asked the questions here several times...no one seems to know or care. What was the economic future of Wisconsin pre Walker, and what is it now. People dont care about the reality...they care about their 'causes'

I'd like to see more of the reasons and relations between policy and the stats. Otherwise, we'd just get into another thread of people arguing that "it was Obama's/Walker's economy" when it gets better or "it was Obama's/Walker's fault" when it dips.
 
Like most states, Wisconsin had budget problems due to the recession. Also like most states, they have a balanced budget amendment so that was going to happen one way or another. Under Walker, Wisconsin has had the worst job creation record of any state in the country. Walker's jobs record an unmitigated disaster - JSOnline

It appears that the majority in Wisconsin disagree with as do the facts from BLS
 
What a bunch of bs, figure out who pays public service employees and get back to me. Every dollar paid to a public service employee comes from the taxpayers not so a private company that has the govt. as a customer. You don't seem to understand the difference.

I understand the difference, but the fact remains that some of the money the government pays to the contractor is used to pay the people doing the work. Should we just figure out how much comes from that and say they don't have the right to do what they please with that percentage?

What about the lobbying expenses of these companies? Given that some of their revenue comes from the government, should they be barred from lobbying for more?
 
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Conservative doesn't agree with ARealConservative. Which one of you is actually a real conservative? :2razz:

the one that values property rights over hackery is the actual conservative.

at issue is his belief that people paid with tax dollars can't use their salary to push for higher salaries. it's a really poorly thought out position, born not from a root understanding of liberty and individual rights, but in wanting his political party to be stronger.
 
It appears that the majority in Wisconsin disagree with as do the facts from BLS

Now you know what people where thinking when they pulled the lever. Didn't know you owned a crystal ball.
 
This is a huge victory for the GOP and a bitter defeat for democrats and the unions.......Rhis is a blue state that always vote democrat......That is not the case this year.......Thanks to the Governor union membership has been cut in half and if you don't want your dues to go to democratic candidates you can say so......This is a state that Hussein Obama won easily in 2008..........

Great News!!!!!!!!!!
 
So your theory is that a massive fundraising differential doesn't matter?

I would say that that's contradicted by thousands of elections.

Barrack Obama certainly did well with his fund raising efforts and its hard to believe why anyone would vote for this guy unless he had a lot of financial support with which to advertise his Hope and Change promises, an extremely friendly media, and a very timely skin color. It certainly wasn't based on his experience or character.

Fact Checker - Obama Reneges on Public Financing
 
This is a huge victory for the GOP and a bitter defeat for democrats and the unions.......Rhis is a blue state that always vote democrat......That is not the case this year.......Thanks to the Governor union membership has been cut in half and if you don't want your dues to go to democratic candidates you can say so......This is a state that Hussein Obama won easily in 2008..........

Great News!!!!!!!!!!

It is indeed and the stock market, as far as my stock anyway, has responded accordingly.

This should give the American people the confidence they need to start turning the country around, but with the real test coming in November. if they can win In November then investors everywhere will once again be bullish on America.
 
Just out of curiosity and I TRULY dont know the answer...but does the dollar figures spent on the recall vote INCLUDE all the money that has been spent by the DNC and Unions over the last two years in pushing for and ramming through the recall initiatives the recall votes on the senators, and now against the governor or does it JUST include what was spent on the actual campaign? And if you tallied up advertising costs for the MSNBC coverage and pro-recall efforts, how much would THAT have added to the cost? What does advertising run on a cable network (albeit, a dog like MSNBC) run these days?

Good questions. I don't know either. I will try to find answers after work.
 
Wow... what a blatant and obvious dodge.

Your running away is noted.

No! I'm shocked. Shocked again. First he can't provide factual sources. Second, he won't address facts and data proving him wrong. Then he dodges me. Then he dodges you. :eek:
 
It is indeed and the stock market, as far as my stock anyway, has responded accordingly.

This should give the American people the confidence they need to start turning the country around, but with the real test coming in November. if they can win In November then investors everywhere will once again be bullish on America.

TRANSLATION: Those trillions of dollars hoarded away will suddenly come out with a Republican in charge. These right wing Mammon worshipping fools will intentionally screw the country and the people just to forward their own selfish agenda.

Damn traitors.
 
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