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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

SheWolf said:
You're the one that started the bipartisan crap instead of sticking to the topic, so yeah, you're acting like a hack in this thread.
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Oh, so you want to attempt to make a partisan topic about unions non-partisan?
 
rocket88 said:
Sure, but the TP rallies got plenty of coverage on Fox (this isn't about Fox, but their lean is as clear as MSNBC's), and that probably helped Republicans in the 2010 election, and maybe this year too. Big political demonstrations get news coverage. So sure, it didn't hurt to have the rallies that the unions had, but that's not a bad thing.

And I don't care about how much was spent on Walker's behalf. Unions and Democrats were just as able to spend an equal amount in support of the recall. They didn't, but whose fault is that, right?
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I agree with the bold. I am on the union side of things, but they Democrats and unions dropped the ball on this one (which isn't surprising because the left often drops the ball when it comes to fighting for itself). Walker outspent them and I think that certainly contributed to his win, but the Dems didn't go as hard as they could have and they share quite a lot of blame for the outcome.
 
Well... good luck to Walker in getting anymore of his policies passed.


Walker Wins Recall, Democrats Win Control of the Senate Halting Right-Wing Agenda

In the early hours of the morning, word came from Southeastern Wisconsin that former state Sen. John Lehman, D-Racine, beat incumbent Republican Sen. Van Wanggaard, with 36,255 votes to Wanggaard's 35,476 votes, according to unofficial results with all precincts reporting. Combined with two other successful Senate recalls in August of 2011, this win means Democrats flipped the Senate from Republican control and put a halt to the Walker agenda.​
 
AdamT said:
You just have to look at your maps to see that many of the worst-off states are right to work states.
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Like Virginia and Texas?
 
poweRob said:
Well... good luck to Walker in getting anymore of his policies passed.


Walker Wins Recall, Democrats Win Control of the Senate Halting Right-Wing Agenda

In the early hours of the morning, word came from Southeastern Wisconsin that former state Sen. John Lehman, D-Racine, beat incumbent Republican Sen. Van Wanggaard, with 36,255 votes to Wanggaard's 35,476 votes, according to unofficial results with all precincts reporting. Combined with two other successful Senate recalls in August of 2011, this win means Democrats flipped the Senate from Republican control and put a halt to the Walker agenda.​
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Oh? How much is left on his To-Do list?
 
Conservative said:
23 million unemployed and under Employed Americans TODAY are in a recession or worse a depression and it is due to the Obama economic policies that are a failure.
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I dont know...it was pointed out by Jay Carney yesterday that in 2009 Obama was given a horrible budget...by Congress. Not his fault. Mind you...he didnt point out that Democrats controlled the budget completely from 2007 to 2011...but why mess with those pesky facts...
 
rocket88 said:
Sure, but the TP rallies got plenty of coverage on Fox (this isn't about Fox, but their lean is as clear as MSNBC's), and that probably helped Republicans in the 2010 election, and maybe this year too. Big political demonstrations get news coverage. So sure, it didn't hurt to have the rallies that the unions had, but that's not a bad thing.

And I don't care about how much was spent on Walker's behalf. Unions and Democrats were just as able to spend an equal amount in support of the recall. They didn't, but whose fault is that, right?
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I dont really deal in 'fault' and you are absolutely correct in your assessment with Fox and the Tea Party. heck...you could even say they got a far bigger bang for the buck considering the viewership. Still...it makes the dollar amounts all 'relative' when you figure in the real world that we live in today.
 
poweRob said:
Well... good luck to Walker in getting anymore of his policies passed.


Walker Wins Recall, Democrats Win Control of the Senate Halting Right-Wing Agenda

In the early hours of the morning, word came from Southeastern Wisconsin that former state Sen. John Lehman, D-Racine, beat incumbent Republican Sen. Van Wanggaard, with 36,255 votes to Wanggaard's 35,476 votes, according to unofficial results with all precincts reporting. Combined with two other successful Senate recalls in August of 2011, this win means Democrats flipped the Senate from Republican control and put a halt to the Walker agenda.​
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Lehman will only be there for 6 months before he is booted and very little of that time will be while the senate is actually in session. Additionally, the Wisconsin analysts, expect republicans to pick up two seats next term - due to redistricting. So, they'll be back in the majority shortly.
 
poweRob said:
Well... good luck to Walker in getting anymore of his policies passed.


Walker Wins Recall, Democrats Win Control of the Senate Halting Right-Wing Agenda

In the early hours of the morning, word came from Southeastern Wisconsin that former state Sen. John Lehman, D-Racine, beat incumbent Republican Sen. Van Wanggaard, with 36,255 votes to Wanggaard's 35,476 votes, according to unofficial results with all precincts reporting. Combined with two other successful Senate recalls in August of 2011, this win means Democrats flipped the Senate from Republican control and put a halt to the Walker agenda.​
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What was the state of Wisconsin when Walker got elected? What is it now? What is its future. Good lord...how refreshing it would be if people were more interested in the needs of the people rather than a political agenda.
 
99percenter said:
Why is it questionable? i think reagan was the last GOP president wisconsin voted for. 18% of walker voters said they will vote for obama? Do you seriously thing wisconsin is in play? I don't unless another recession happens and i dont think that's likely.
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Do you understand how exit polls work?

They weight the results. If they ask 100 people a question, they take the results of those 100 people and try to decide how closely the 100 match the millions that voted. If the 100 people are treated as 50 democrats and 50 republicans, the result of the exit poll data would be wildly different then if they felt the 100 people were 55 democrats and 45 republicans.

We know that the exit polls were way off regarding the outcome of the governor’s race. We know this to be a hard fact. However they weighed the results for the governor’s race was flawed heavily in the favor of democrats.

Can the same be true for how they handled the Romney vs. Obama data? Yes. We don’t know if this is the case, but logically speaking, it makes all exit poll data highly suspect.
 
VanceMack said:
What was the state of Wisconsin when Walker got elected? What is it now? What is its future. Good lord...how refreshing it would be if people were more interested in the needs of the people rather than a political agenda.
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Are you suggesting Walker doesn't have a political agenda?
 
poweRob said:
How the hell would I know? Ask him. It's only three more years of his term to go.
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Walker's win was a huge kick in the teeth to the Left, no doubt about it. The unions will have to regroup.
 
American said:
Walker's win was a huge kick in the teeth to the Left, no doubt about it. The unions will have to regroup.
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Largely true. And there are a lot of divisions in that state, both within the unions and outside of them. Walker can smile a bit, but he would be unwise to do a Bush and declare he has a mandate.
 
VanceMack said:
What was the state of Wisconsin when Walker got elected? What is it now? What is its future. Good lord...how refreshing it would be if people were more interested in the needs of the people rather than a political agenda.
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Don't follow what you are saying. That only the GOP doesn't work through a political agenda but the Dems do?
 
American said:
Walker's win was a huge kick in the teeth to the Left, no doubt about it. The unions will have to regroup.
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It is a huge kick in the teeth of unions for sure. In the state where much of the unions began.
 
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poweRob said:
Don't follow what you are saying. That only the GOP doesn't work through a political agenda but the Dems do?
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Actually it was far more intended for 'you'. In all the discussions I see on Wisconsin I have yet to see people discuss what is right for the people...what their budget situation was, what the reality is. I see defense of one side, defense of the other...wouldnt it be refreshing if people were actually assessing the fiscal reality in the state and not the 'sides'.
 
That would be nice. And when Walker got in and the unions made overture's there was a small possibility that such could happen. Few, on any side, completely forsake their interests, so compromise means acknowledging this and seeking a middle ground.
 
VanceMack said:
Actually it was far more intended for 'you'. In all the discussions I see on Wisconsin I have yet to see people discuss what is right for the people...what their budget situation was, what the reality is. I see defense of one side, defense of the other...wouldnt it be refreshing if people were actually assessing the fiscal reality in the state and not the 'sides'.
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I agree that policy discussion would be more beneficial but what do you honestly expect at election time other than horse-race results as the discussion?
 
VanceMack said:
Actually it was far more intended for 'you'. In all the discussions I see on Wisconsin I have yet to see people discuss what is right for the people...what their budget situation was, what the reality is. I see defense of one side, defense of the other...wouldnt it be refreshing if people were actually assessing the fiscal reality in the state and not the 'sides'.
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I'm pretty sure the entire discussion is based on what people think is best for the people. Some think collective bargaining is and some think it isn't. Those are the sides among others that people are defending and they're mostly about what's good for "the people."
 
AdamT said:
I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
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Yeah, that's the ticket.....not enough coverage and an uninformed voting public! LMFAO

Didn't you predict 6 months ago that Walker would be crushed in the recall? I rarely come here anymore but I had to stop by today to read your excuses and pathetic spinning. Same old story.
 
conservativeguy said:
Yeah, that's the ticket.....not enough coverage and an uninformed voting public! LMFAO
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What a brilliant observation. The more partisan money that is spent... means the more "informed" the public actually is because they are directly proportional.

The more Partisan money spent = The higher the voter intelligence

So had the unions merely outspent the Koch brothers so that the Dem had a 7.5 to 1 spending advantage in the race... the public would have been so much more informed according to your logic. Wow... What an unbelievable revelation. lol
 
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ARealConservative said:
false. once we pay a person for the work they do, they have just as much right to funnel that into political action causes as you or I.
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They certainly have the right but that doesn't change the fact that they get their paychecks from the taxpayers
 
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