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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

I will go on record as 100% against senseless rioting.

Will you go on record as being 100% against rioting plain and simple. It is the inclusion of the word sensless that seems to imply that you would be for rioting is you in certain instances.
 
Lol. Wisconsin has truly been a funny thing to watch over the public union issues. I remember when their Dems fled the state in order to block the vote that they knew they would lose. They lost that battle and then tried a recall election, which they lost. It is embarrassing and only speaks towards their character. What they did was childish, and I'm glad that it didn't work towards their favor.
Its just more than a little bit pathetic that they claim they have been 'outspent' and that is why they lost when they have been on the news, in demonstrations, had CNN and MSNBC chumming for them for a year and a half, had union paid protests, school teacher coordinated mass protests...ad nauseum. Wisconsin has been barraged by recall after recall and they wonder why their state is divided. Hey...use whatever tactics you want...but I hope the voters remember what their 'representatives' have done over the last two years.
 
I hope you aren't applying this to all Dems. But I do expect this behavior from the grown up children that pushed for his recall and supported cowardly state reps fleeing the state to try and block a vote. Hopefully rational people will learn from this on both sides and just ignore them. They lost, and they can cry harder. :)
I'm applying it to all that act that way...certainly...but not 'all dems'. No.
 
Prove it. Trot that information out so we can look it, otherwise it's your word against the facts we actually have.

Ummm...new to modern politics? Its common knowledge that the most expensive aspect of ANY political camgaign is adverstising.

First of all, Walker's direct contributions were only $12.1 million. Those are the funds used for direct campaign activity. The rest was from outside groups in the form of advertising.

More than $66 million was spent on the race as of May 21, making it easily the most expensive in Wisconsin history. That money was spent on an all-out barrage of television ads, direct mail, automated calls and other advertising that permeated the state for months. Walker survives recall election in Wisconsin  | ajc.com

Scott Walker beats back recall election in Wisconsin - NY Daily News

Wisconsin Recall Election Spending Tops $60 Million - ABC News

Walker and GOP win Wisconsin recall ad spending war – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

This is just TV. Doesn't include radio, newspaper, robo calls, mailers, etc.
Scott Walker Recall: More Than $8.3 Million Spent On TV Ads
 
Its just more than a little bit pathetic that they claim they have been 'outspent' and that is why they lost when they have been on the news, in demonstrations, had CNN and MSNBC chumming for them for a year and a half, had union paid protests, school teacher coordinated mass protests...ad nauseum. Wisconsin has been barraged by recall after recall and they wonder why their state is divided. Hey...use whatever tactics you want...but I hope the voters remember what their 'representatives' have done over the last two years.

Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

It was the expected result. :shrug:

On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat. :thumbs:
 
I hope you aren't applying this to all Dems. But I do expect this behavior from the grown up children that pushed for his recall and supported cowardly state reps fleeing the state to try and block a vote. Hopefully rational people will learn from this on both sides and just ignore them. They lost, and they can cry harder. :)

I actually support the Senators leaving the state. Their job is to represent their constituents, and the best way to represent them at that point was to prevent a vote in which they would just get steamrolled on the way to "progress." Assuming that a filibuster wasn't an option (I don't know the rules of the Wisconsin Senate), that was the only avenue open to them. If it was the US Senate, they probably would hav filibustered to the same effect.

What was comical was when Walker sent the State Police to their houses. Did they commit a crime? Not last I checked. You could make the argument that they weren't doing their jobs, but in that case they work for the voters, not the Governor.
 
I dont think this means much for november. Exit polls so that obama will still win wisconsin in november. 17% of walker voters say they will vote for obama.
 
Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?
 
Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

So what?

So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

It was the expected result. :shrug:

I don't think it was really all that expected. Democrats have been a force in Wisconsin for years, and regardless of spending, this is a blow to their state party.

On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat. :thumbs:

The Senate will not be in session again until after the November elections -- in which 16 of the 33 seats are up for grabs -- so who really cares?
 
Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?

Wonder how this factors into the liberal argument? Oh, wait, it doesn't

Capitol protests cost state millions in damage, security

Then of course there was the first recall cost then the cost of securing all those recall numbers to get this election, then the cost of running the election, the revenue generated by union fund raisers as well as the unknown union expentitures. Of course those don't matter.
 
Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?

So what? Just because someone is against Super PACs (assuming he is) doesn't mean that he should sit on his hands and allow the other side to wildly outspend his party while they take adavantage of the law.
 
Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

It was the expected result. :shrug:

On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat. :thumbs:

Unions have a lot riding on Walker recall | Wisconsin - WISN Home

Unions spent nearly $30 million turning out votes to repeal the Ohio measure and more than $12 million on the Wisconsin state Senate recall effort.


Read more: Unions have a lot riding on Walker recall | Wisconsin - WISN Home

$30 Million Pouring In to Influence Wisconsin Recall Elections - ABC News
Neil Sroka, press secretary of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, says they have joined up with another liberal activist group, Democracy for America, to spend $2 million in the state -- $1.5 million on television ads and $500,000 on grassroots work.

If anyone has a clear picture on the total Dems spent in Wisconsin let me know. Im not finding enough information to form a solid idea. But Im pretty skeptical it was over $400million.
 
I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.

And unions alone are responsible for this?
 

So ... it rather speaks for itself. Republicans have made no secret that they are going after unions, at least in part, to take away money from Democratic candidates. Walker's anti-union measure was a huge success in that respect, leaving the Republicans with a significant fundraising advantage due in large part to corporate donations. Another successful Republican ploy slap down working people and raise up the 1%. The only question is, why does anyone in the 99% support them?

I don't think it was really all that expected.

Well, Walker was ahead in every single poll for months, so yeah, it was clearly expected.

The Senate will not be in session again until after the November elections -- in which 16 of the 33 seats are up for grabs -- so who really cares?

Fair point.
 
Originally Posted by MaggieD
I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.

Texas does it the same way.
 
Exactly, unions can spend whatever they want on whatever they support and it is irrelevant.

It might be relevant if we were comparing protest spending, but we aren't.
 
Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

It was the expected result. :shrug:

On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat. :thumbs:
Were they? How much advertising and publicity did they get over the last year and a half? Put a dollar figure to the union protests...go ahead. lets do some real math. the fact is the democrats and unions have been banging this drum for a year and a half. You know what? Maybe the voters of Wisconsin are just smarter than you think they are.
 
I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.

I think its just something about the state that attracts the corrupt. I live in illinois too and i have no idea how they can raise property taxes when they property values are going down.
 
Calling this "anti-worker?" Is that the latest FAX you received for talking points? This isn't about anti-worker. Hell, the worker's cast the votes, for God's sake. Come up with another talking point, Boo. That one sucks wind.

I don't get those. Sorry. I just call it as I see it. And as I noted earlier, workers casting votes against their interests doesn't make it not against their interests. There is no way around the fact that this has been and continues to be an anti-worker effort.
 
Texas does it the same way.

If you look at states across the country, there is virtually no correlation between unionization and fiscal problems.
 
It might be relevant if we were comparing protest spending, but we aren't.

Right, all those previous recall elections weren't costly to the state? Liberal temper tantrums on full display. Liberals lost, get over it and it wasn't due to the lack of funding, it was rather a lack of support for their failures in policies
 
So ... it rather speaks for itself. Republicans have made no secret that they are going after unions, at least in part, to take away money from Democratic candidates. Walker's anti-union measure was a huge success in that respect, leaving the Republicans with a significant fundraising advantage due in large part to corporate donations. Another successful Republican ploy slap down working people and raise up the 1%. The only question is, why does anyone in the 99% support them?

Why didn't the DNC or other outside Democratic groups pour money into the state? They have the cash, and were perfectly able.

And let's not get off subject and pretend that corporations only fuel money into the Republican side. That is patently false.


Well, Walker was ahead in every single poll for months, so yeah, it was clearly expected.

Perhaps, but still a blow to the state party. They spent a ton of money collecting signatures, campaigning, getting organized. If nothing else, it probably leaves some faction of Democrats in Wisconsin upset with the national Democratic Party for essentially refusing to get involved. I think you will an impact in that regard down the road.
 
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