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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

haymarket said:
And do you also blame the weatherman for tropical storms, tornado's and other disasters because they told of the conditions which would create them?
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Ahh so you were just predicting scumbag union thugs would get violent, I guess being big in unions, you would know, so we probably should heed your warning of said violence... Now I understand. :roll:
 
randel said:
short of walker being out on his ass, this is a big victory....wisconsin senate back in democratic control, walker is a EUNUCH....
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Being as you are in Ohio, I guess that the Cleveland Browns winning four games all of last season is like winning the Super Bowl ! So what if they lost 12 :roll:

Your eunuch is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, D.C., btw.
 
haymarket said:
Actually it says precious little beyond a gross number that says nothing in and of itself about the content or details.
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Right, because I bet if we looked at your posts we would see something besides utter support for this recall and utter contempt for walker? :lamo
 
Zyphlin said:
So short of the thing Democrat pundets, posters, supporters, unions, and politicians were focused on for months now...it's a big win!

You sound like the New England Patriots patting themselves on the back for winning the AFC Championship game and trying to convince people the Super Bowl didn't matter.
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It is not my fault that too many people neglected an important aspect of the Wisconsin elections.

It reminds me a bit of small children who are drawn to big dramatic primary colors and they do not have the eye nor sophistication to appreciate the more subtle shades and more sublime details of other aspects of art.
 
haymarket said:
It is not my fault that too many people neglected an important aspect of the Wisconsin elections.

It reminds me a bit of small children who are drawn to big dramatic primary colors and they do not have the eye nor sophistication to appreciate the more subtle shades and more sublime details of other aspects of art.
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says the guy who spent the last year not talking about the senate but about walker in 17+ threads. :prof
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Right, because I bet if we looked at your posts we would see something besides utter support for this recall and utter contempt for walker? :lamo
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I have contempt for Walker and I supported the recall. I never made any secret of that.

But how does that somehow someway negate the reality that as of yesterday morning, the GOP controlled Wisconsin government lock stock and barrel while after last nights results- they no longer do?

Can you explain that uncomfortable reality to us all?
 
haymarket said:
And do you also blame the weatherman for tropical storms, tornado's and other disasters because they told of the conditions which would create them?
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ROFL. What a horrible analogy. Weathermen have no ability, what so ever, to influence the weather. They don't even have a rational and reasonable way to think that they MIGHT influence the weather. The weather is a naturally occuring thing...violence perpetrated by people is not a natural phenomina of nature. Weathermen, at least the ones that aren't glorified models reading from a script (in which case, the words aren't even their own), are actually highly trained to look at scientific facts to make judgements on the near term weather effects. Weathermen rarely speak of what good a hurricane or other disaster occuring to people would be, followed up by "But we hope no hurricane hits them"

You on the other hand sit here and state what people suggest they may do would be dumb, what they should actually do is [x] with nice and full detail and specifics, proclaiming how good it'd be for it to happen...and then act like your transparent intent, belief, mindset, and motive isn't as clear as glass becuase you let the word peace slither out of your mouth.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
says the guy who spent the last year not talking about the senate but about walker in 17+ threads. :prof
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You seem to me missing the point of what happened in Wisconsin last night in your never waning zeal to attack me.

The GOP held onto the State House. They had it going into the recall election.

The GOP lost control of the State Senate to the Democrats.

The only party which gained in any real power or office last night was the Democratic Party with their Senate capture.
 
Zyphlin said:
ROFL. What a horrible analogy. Weathermen have no ability, what so ever, to influence the weather.
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That is hysterical and falling down funny....... or it would be if not for the sheer absurdity of it.

Little ole me somehow someway has the 'power' to get people out rioting and committing selective political assassinations?

That is beyond rich!!!! :lamo:mrgreen::lamo
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Ahh so you were just predicting scumbag union thugs would get violent, I guess being big in unions, you would know, so we probably should heed your warning of said violence... Now I understand. :roll:
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Now you understand!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :lamo:mrgreen::lamo
 
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randel said:
short of walker being out on his ass, this is a big victory....wisconsin senate back in democratic control, walker is a EUNUCH....
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The outcome is largely symbolic. The change in the State Senate's balance of power won't impact the policies that have already been adopted. There's no practical chance of a near-term repeal. The issues that lie ahead will likely be those that are less divisive and narrower in focus. Both sides also have incentives to try to put the bitter past behind them and shift the focus to a problem-solving approach that can further strengthen Wisconsin. To be sure, there will remain elements that will try to prevent such an evolution in a vain hope of redoing the epic political battle that was fought in 2011. They likely won't succeed as last night's outcome broadcast the message that Wisconsin's residents have moved on.
 
Zyphlin said:
It is kind of your fault you neglected it yourself.
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Tell you what Z - when you use your power here to get me a nice six figure check to keep all of you properly educated as to political news and developments, I will be glad to take on that task. Until then - I get to talk about what I want to talk about when I want to talk about it.
 
haymarket said:
The only party which gained in any real power or office last night was the Democratic Party with their Senate capture.
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Eh, incorrect here.

Office...you're correct. The Democratic party was the only people to gain an office last night. Then again, they were the only one who COULD gain an office last night so it's basically a useless standard to judge by. You're basically setting up a scenario biased immedietely towards your ends by creating a scenario where at best the Republicans came out neutral and at worst lost. No shocker that a hyper partisan like yourself tries to cache a discussion in an obvoiusly bias and slanted way, but it's not a useful way to view it.

Power...well, power is a pretty wide ranging term. Legislative power? Democrats gained. However, a strong argument can be made that Republicans winning 5 out of 6 of these elections...after the year+ long campaign against Walker and his actions and the non-stop drum beat against it...with 3 of the 4 senate victories occuring by 14% or more and with Walker pulling in more votes then he did in 2010...that the Republicans may've garnered some electoral power going into the next election cycle due to the seeming support...rather than disdain...for Walker's actions in the state.
 
haymarket said:
You seem to me missing the point of what happened in Wisconsin last night in your never waning zeal to attack me.

The GOP held onto the State House. They had it going into the recall election.

The GOP lost control of the State Senate to the Democrats.

The only party which gained in any real power or office last night was the Democratic Party with their Senate capture.
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You do realize that the senate doesn't meet again in WI until next January, which is after they are all back on the ballot in November, right? So.....the Democratic Party "captured" the ability to run 10 D seats in the fall. Congratulations on your big "real power".
 
Awesome news. I believe Walker is the first to defeat a recall effort and it wasn't even really close. Congrat's to him, and props to the citizens of Wisconsin.

I haven't read through this thread. I'm sure it contains nothing but well wishes for the Governer as well as prompt admissions of being incorrect from everyone who ever claimed that Walker would be recalled. :D
 
haymarket said:
That is hysterical and falling down funny....... or it would be if not for the sheer absurdity of it.

Little ole me somehow someway has the 'power' to get people out rioting and committing selective political assassinations?

That is beyond rich!!!! :lamo:mrgreen::lamo
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You'll note I said early on that I don't think your comments have any bite to them but speak more to your mentality and motive and mindset. That said...every one of us on this board have more ability to influence people into rioting or violating the law than a weatherman has to affect the weather. Which is why the comparison is poor. As I said...the mentality, the style, the mindset, and the likely implications of what someone such as yourself having such a view and style...is more the interesting and disconcerting issue. Not the actual belief that someone like you could ever actually substantially convince someone on their own to go kill someone or riot.
 
haymarket said:
Tell you what Z - when you use your power here to get me a nice six figure check to keep all of you properly educated as to political news and developments, I will be glad to take on that task. Until then - I get to talk about what I want to talk about when I want to talk about it.
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In order to make fat stacks, one needs to have a marketable attribute. I for one, could not see your salary request being even entertained, though I bet it would be entertaining. :prof
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps you missed the split decision last night in your fervor to attack unions and their members?
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That split decision is the same margin as President Obama's over Gov. Romeny...

Yes, THE Republicans held onto the Governors office - one branch of the government. But it appears that Democrats gained in the State Senate and now are a majority. The day of total GOP control of state government and having their way at will is now over.

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.
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Actually, the one election in the Wisconsin circus that Democrats may have won (by 800 votes, a true split decision) is still unofficial and is being reviewed.
 
Samhain said:
You do realize that the senate doesn't meet again in WI until next January, which is after they are all back on the ballot in November, right? So.....the Democratic Party "captured" the ability to run 10 D seats in the fall. Congratulations on your big "real power".
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Rumor has it that Walker may call a special session so that they can get drilling rights approved. It won't happen though if that last seat goes to a democrat.
 
haymarket said:
Tell you what Z - when you use your power here to get me a nice six figure check to keep all of you properly educated as to political news and developments, I will be glad to take on that task. Until then - I get to talk about what I want to talk about when I want to talk about it.
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No need for that.

If people not focusing on the Senate as much of Walker are "ignorati" and are neglecting an important part of the Wisconsin election, then it would've stood to reason that you'd have at least nearly as much about the Senate as you had about Walker. If the Senate was just as important, you could've forgone some posts...of which you have more than 400....about Walker and instead made them about the Senate. Wouldn't have taken you any further time, wouldn't have required you to have a six figure check, it just would've required that your supposed "focus" on the "important parts of the Wisconsin election" actually have occured prior to...well, TODAY. However, it didn't...which is hwy you had plenty of time, without a six figure check, to post TONS about Walker but nary a peep about the Senate.

You do get to talk about what you want to talk about when you want to talk about it.

And I get to point out the hillarious irony and ridiculousness of you lecturing people for not focusing on the Senate and talking about Walker when you've spent a year...not focusing on the Senate and talking about Walker.
 
Zyphlin said:
Eh, incorrect here.

Office...you're correct. The Democratic party was the only people to gain an office last night. Then again, they were the only one who COULD gain an office last night so it's basically a useless standard to judge by. You're basically setting up a scenario biased immedietely towards your ends by creating a scenario where at best the Republicans came out neutral and at worst lost. No shocker that a hyper partisan like yourself tries to cache a discussion in an obvoiusly bias and slanted way, but it's not a useful way to view it.
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A gain is a gain.
 
Bush lost Wisconsin in 2000 by 4k votes and in 2004 by 11k votes. Extremely thin margins.

After last nights results, one could make the argument that Obama may be in deep, deep doodoo there. But, at the very least, his campaign is going to have to spend a lot more money in states like Wisconsin than they had planned. And with his fundraising well behind his 2008 pace, that could present some significant problems.
 
TurtleDude said:
Good, I hope all those scumbag Union activists get tossed out of their jobs. I heard one of the most parasitic unions-AFSCME (which does nothing useful-doesn't teach a trade, or guarantee good work like real trade unions do)-went from 65K members in that state down to 28K. Also I hope those scummy union pacs blew lots of money on this windmill tilting escapade that they no longer have to fund "Forward Failure" this fall
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. . .and for the 1456987th time, a right winger has just finished quoting his Messiah rush limbaugh.

Difficult to say what's more pathetic--the fact that right wingers are actually stupid enough to believe that any money not dumped into union pockets will actually be returned to the people in the form of lower taxes, as opposed to subsidies for specific individuals. . .

From 1995 through 2009, state Sens. Luther Olsen, Dale Schultz and Sheila Harsdorf all had stakes in farms that received between them more than $300,000 in taxpayer funds.

Wisconsin State Senate Republicans Took Hundreds Of Thousands In Government Farm Subsidies
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or the fact that they think romney will give them a job :rolleyes: :lol:
 
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