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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

danarhea said:
In the end, this recall election was not about workers at all, but about how Barrett had no plan. Workers rights appealed to the left, and busting the unions appealed to the right, but this issue is not what independents were looking at. To win, getting your base to the voting booth is not enough. You have to win independents. Barrett failed to do that. Walker was able to do that. End of story.
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So Barrett had no plan... what was Walker running on? And didn't Walker apologize or make some statement about "learning his lesson"
 
Here comes your $154 billion surplus, WI! I'm jealous.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
No. After 18 months of whining and BS from the left, it was about how the Public Sector Unions are full of ****.
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It was for the base on both sides, but independents didn't see it that way, either way. They saw the budget numbers which showed a surplus, and the saw Barrett not being able to articulate his own plan for Wisconsin. Personally, I am disappointed that unions are being gutted, but I am able to think on my own, and not be controlled by hacks of either the left or the right, to see what swung the election.
 
Liberals are loud and have the media on a choker but Conservatism and common sense rule the day!
 
MarineTpartier said:
There are 53 people viewing this thread. I don't care how much Dems try to downplay this election. It's a big deal. If Obamacare gets struck down, the POTUS may find himself in a tailspin he can't get out of.
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Obama and the DNC stayed out of this election as far as I know. Bill Clinton went there and made a speech, and that's as far as the establishment went in getting involved. Obama will be judged on Obamacare, not this election.
 
Why didn’t the Unions work with Walker to balance the budget?
Now they cut their own throats.
 
danarhea said:
It was for the base on both sides, but independents didn't see it that way, either way. They saw the budget numbers which showed a surplus, and the saw Barrett not being able to articulate his own plan for Wisconsin. Personally, I am disappointed that unions are being gutted, but I am able to think on my own, and not be controlled by hacks of either the left or the right, to see what swung the election.
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Unions are not being gutted by this mandate. Public unions are being curtailed. Democrats will have to find a new way to buy their way into office. I hope this spreads like herpes. :rofl
 
This thread makes me sad that WI Crippler was not as active as he used to be. Would've loved to hear his insight into this election the whole time
 
johnny_rebson said:
They definitely are now since we sent most of those jobs to China.
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Unions didn't have anything to do with jobs going to China. 80 hour work weeks, 23-37 cents an hour, lack of worker protection laws and lack of environmental laws is why companies outsource to China.This is why outsourced companies shipped to China instead of right-to-work states.

washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month, violating Chinese labor laws.
 
IMO, this was an impressive win by Governor Walker. Backed by an improving employment and fiscal situation in Wisconsin, Walker prevailed. He likely prevailed by at least 9-12 points, which was greater than what any of the polling had suggested.

As is typically the case, economics was likely far more important than other factors in shaping the outcome. The exit polling showed a slim 50%-48% margin in favor of the collective bargaining changes. However, Governor Walker won by a much more comfortable margin. This highlights the roll other factors (very likely economic ones) played. Detailed exit polling data, if it is available, will provide much more insight.
 
SheWolf said:
Obama and the DNC stayed out of this election as far as I know. Bill Clinton went there and made a speech, and that's as far as the establishment went in getting involved. Obama will be judged on Obamacare, not this election.
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Scott Walker was judged on his performance and results so will Obama who cannot run on his record. Results won tonight and will be the factor that determines the November election.
 
:allhail:congrats::2grouphug:2party::2party:

smiley response
 
MarineTpartier said:
I'll cede that to you.:peace
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Ok, you have my respect... and I have ceded in the past too. I think it takes a good person to cede instead of turning into a major asshole or something. :peace:
 
donsutherland1 said:
IMO, this was an impressive win by Governor Walker. Backed by an improving employment and fiscal situation in Wisconsin, Walker prevailed. He likely prevailed by at least 9-12 points, which was greater than what any of the polling had suggested.

As is typically the case, economics was likely far more important than other factors in shaping the outcome. The exit polling showed a slim 50%-48% margin in favor of the collective bargaining changes. However, Governor Walker won by a much more comfortable margin. This highlights the roll other factors (very likely economic ones) played. Detailed exit polling data, if it is available, will provide much more insight.
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Don, I will not forget your initial post on this topic many months ago. You called Walker's actions a "scorched earth" policy. I agree with you. And, frankly? I'm surprised he held up. But. I'm grateful.
 
SheWolf said:
Obama and the DNC stayed out of this election as far as I know. Bill Clinton went there and made a speech, and that's as far as the establishment went in getting involved. Obama will be judged on Obamacare, not this election.
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I disagree. This is a state President Obama carried in '08. Now, they have gone with a guy who is the polar opposite of him as governor. I think Romney will use this as a talking point for a while, conservatives will trumpet this all across the country, and I believe it will inspire another governor to do the same thing at some point. It's not so much that it will be a big deal in November. It just starts the unraveling which will continue if Obamacare is struck down (even if its just the mandate), Fast and Furious comes to more of a head, and gives the House ground to stand on when the new budget ceiling fight starts around the same time as the election.
 
Good for the civic participation for the people of Wisconsin, and a nice side benefit of making Wisconsin a trouble spot for the Democrats come November. Other than that, I won't be cheering. The people of Wisconsin have a dog in the fight. I do not.
 
MaggieD said:
Unions are not being gutted by this mandate. Public unions are being curtailed. Democrats will have to find a new way to buy their way into office. I hope this spreads like herpes. :rofl
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But they GOP will still be buying their way into office with corporate welfare and subsidiaries... not fair. Maybe this is more about destroying the other party than empowering the tax payers as some suggest.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Not anti-worker at all. Just anti Union.
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Eh, I don't see much of a difference. Unions represent workers' interests. If you don't support the entity that represents workers' interests in order to balance the interests of their bosses which sometimes/often conflict with workers' interests, then I can't see how you would be pro-worker.

The fact is that unions, when their members ensure quality leadership, make sure that workers don't get treated like crap, that they have their concerns heard and that they get the quality environment they need to work well. If you're against that, I can't see how you would be pro-worker.
 
jamesrage said:
Unions didn't have anything to do with jobs going to China. 80 hour work weeks, 23-37 cents an hour, lack of worker protection laws and lack of environmental laws is why companies outsource to China.This is why outsourced companies shipped to China instead of right-to-work states.

washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month, violating Chinese labor laws.
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Yea, you pretty much nailed that one. China=Child slavery and slavery of political prisoners. BTW, I don't shop Wal-Mart. I'd rather give my money to a business that was home grown right here in Texas, that sells products that are made in America.
 
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Damn its nice to watch the liberals lick their wounds after a double ass whippin'.
 
SheWolf said:
But they GOP will still be buying their way into office with corporate welfare and subsidiaries... not fair. Maybe this is more about destroying the other party than empowering the tax payers as some suggest.
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I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
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Yep. Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Illinois Admits $83 Billion in Pension Liabilities, $54 Billion in Retiree Health Liabilities, $9 Billion in Current Unpaid Bills; Who is to Blame?
 
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