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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yep. They can still bargain for extra hours, less hours, safety, and anything else you can imagine. Just not for pay raises and better benefits.

    One more thing that I did forget to mention is that it does not apply to the police unions or the firefighter unions. They still have their FULL collective bargaining capabilities.
    IOW, the ban ONLY applies to what is, by a mile, the number one reason employees engage in collective bargaining. That's kind of like saying, "we're not making pot illegal -- we're just making it illegal to SMOKE or otherwise ingest pot!"
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    mad Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Don't forget the fake D's , creating the false need for a primary.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what, just put a dollar figure on all protests? I wonder how much in todays dollars MLK's "I have a dream" speech was worth to the pro-civil rights side? How much in publicity was the TPers disrupting Town Hall meetings across the country worth?

    It's ridiculous to go down this road.

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    joke Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    They created the Wisconsin Filibuster. How can the R's not love it?
    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree. They need to represent constituents, but they shouldn't try to put a roadblock on legislation by leaving the state and thus legally closing down the state legislature. It prevents the state from getting work done. Fleeing the state to block a vote was very cowardly in my opinion and juvenile. All representation being equal, they are blocking the representatives of others from representing their constituents instead of representing theirs with a no vote. They didn't get what they wanted, so they tried to halt the democratic process in an attempt to overrule the majority and prevent representation of the majority from being legally passed/voted on.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I'm not sure whether to call that Soviet inspired propaganda, or Cuban inspired propaganda... Either way, it has communist/socialist stench all over it... Someone open a window.
    You can call it whatever you choose...fact remains it is what it is as I described it...you can put whatever label makes you happy grim.
    But I take note that you dont dispute anything ive said in that post except to try to demean it...like every other single one of the teaparty lets screw everyone else cheerleaders on here....NONE OF YOU EVER DISPUTE what ive said in this post...because you cant its all fact...SO im good with you calling me a communist or anything else

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    So, how many times was Walker on Fox (small n) news.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Regardless. Money buys publicity. The anti-Walker publicity, rendered for free by the main-stream media for 18 months, dwarfs anything pro-Walker that was paid for. Just as it was Obama-McCain. Same media bias dynamic.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    [FONT=Arial Black]I think that the last 3+ years have shown that compromize means taking on R's concepts & having the R's condem the concept as being inspired by the Devil Herself i.e. Government Mandate.
    If compromize is to mean adopting R's princibles, I say lets (D's) start sticking to our position for a change. That would be a change, D's supporting Democratic positions.
    In other words effe compromise with the R's while we live under minority rule. [/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I certainly agree that both sides, at every level of government need to sit down and do the work. This will require hard stands at times, but also compromise. In fact, I would like to see more compromise. Much more.
    Last edited by jpevans; 06-11-12 at 09:50 AM.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    The high court had to ask for a new brief, as the original case couldn't seriously reach the conclution for which they were paid.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Right to work states have a lower average wage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right to work states have better economic conditions than states where union membership is required as terms of employment. That is reality. What I posted is the projected problems with union pension funds and those public unions are funded by the taxpayers and therein lies the problem and why public unions have no place in this country.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Right to work states have a lower average wage.
    Don't laugh your ass off just yet. Please show us factually why right-to-work laws have anything to do with some states having a lower average wage than others.

    Why are you using stupid-sized fonts and all bold? We'll read your posts without signal flares.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    The Fox (small n) news also had Governor Walker almost daily leading up to the recall.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sure, but the TP rallies got plenty of coverage on Fox (this isn't about Fox, but their lean is as clear as MSNBC's), and that probably helped Republicans in the 2010 election, and maybe this year too. Big political demonstrations get news coverage. So sure, it didn't hurt to have the rallies that the unions had, but that's not a bad thing.

    And I don't care about how much was spent on Walker's behalf. Unions and Democrats were just as able to spend an equal amount in support of the recall. They didn't, but whose fault is that, right?

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