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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    So tell me how he's breaking unions. Are employees no longer permitted to unionize in Wisconsin?
    I'll answer your question when you answer mine, which I've asked twice now.

    Third time: However, can you at least provide evidence that during the campaign he said he was going to eliminate collective bargaining for state employees?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    [...] stripping the requirement that one MUST join the union in order to work at a specific job [...]
    There is no such requirement. You need a new information source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I'll answer your question when you answer mine, which I've asked twice now.
    I answered your question in my first post in response to your question. Curbing collective bargaining and stripping the requirement that employees MUST join a union to work at a specific job is NOT breaking unions.

    Now, how is Scott Walker breaking unions?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Three WI Republican Senators were recalled by the will of the people, apparently throwing control of the Senate to the Democrats, so there seems to be a healthy number out there who don't like the fascism sauce, despite how weak it may or may not be.
    We shall see in November about control. Personally, as a libertarian, I typically win the most in gridlock.

    Of course if the majority will of the people is your measure of all that's good and proper, I'm sure you're just tickled pink with President Obama
    I was as tickled as possible with Obama winning considering the alternatives. He won on an anti-war message primarily. Sadly he has since abandoned any pretense of hope and change in regards to our actions abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    There is no such requirement. You need a new information source.
    Right, there's no longer that requirement in public sector employment in Wisconsin, thanks to Scott Walker.

    So, how does curbing collective bargaining keep employees from unionizing if they want to?
    Last edited by The Man; 06-09-12 at 10:38 AM.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Aw, yes, another "Progressive" temper tantrum and distortion of reality.
    Ad hominem.

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    No one was crushed [...]
    Stripping collective bargaining rights from a union is not "crushing" it? In what zip code -- the Twilight Zone?

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    [...] and if you don't live in Wisconsin why does this affect you?
    Ostrich argument. Also used by many in the U.S. during the Holocaust.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The people of Wisconsin spoke so your next step has to be to get an activist judge to overturn the will of the people. When is that going to happen?
    Delusion/paranoia.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Right, there's no longer that requirement in public sector employment in Wisconsin, thanks to Scott Walker. [...]
    There was not one before Scott Walker. You really, really need a new source of facts.

    Since you've repeatedly refused to answer my question, I'll answer none of yours. I will, however, continue to point out your erroneous claims, which at the rate they're arriving may require secretarial assistance.

    Fourth time: Can you at least provide evidence that during the campaign he said he was going to eliminate collective bargaining for state employees?

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    Last edited by Karl; 06-09-12 at 10:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    There was not one before Scott Walker. You really, really need a new source of facts.

    Since you've repeatedly refused to answer my question, I'll answer none of yours. I will, however, continue to point out your erroneous claims, which at the rate they're arriving may require secretarial assistance.

    Welcome
    Ahh, you will answer none of my questions because you have no answers, or at least no answers that make any sense. Gotcha!

    Good day sir! :wave:

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    So you want to take those benefits away from them, and give it to big corporations in the form of new tax breaks. We already know that is the right wing plan -- take from the worker, give to the rich.

    But was Walker satisfied when the unions finally agreed to his reverse Robin Hood plan -- and agreed to pay more?

    No, he was not. He went on to eliminate most of their collective bargaining rights, proving that your post was a wasted effort -- it wasn't about money, it was about stripping power from unions.

    No I don't want to take away benefits. I want those in public service to pay no more, nor no less, than those footing the bill for these bennies - The Taxpayer.

    In this case "big corporations" aren't involved. The taxpayers of WI are paying these benefits. Right Wing or Left Wing, it's wrong for public servants to get a better deal than those paying the bill.

    I'm looking for fairness. How about you? Seems you think that taxpayers of WI should pay whatever the unions can grab with both hands.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I'll answer your question when you answer mine, which I've asked twice now.

    Third time: However, can you at least provide evidence that during the campaign he said he was going to eliminate collective bargaining for state employees?
    He did say he was going to cut gov't costs, and try to balance the budget by doing so. What is the largest gov't cost? Yep, labor of gov't employees. He did NOT eliminate collective bargaining, he just said NO to their "offer" and made a counter offer. He did make union membership OPTIONAL, and the majority of those given that OPTION chose NOT to remain in the union. It is not a right of the tiny minority that choose gov't employment to set their own salary/benefit packages, that is still up to the majority, through their elected representatives to do. Not all changes in pay/benefits are increases, as seems to be the wish of those in the union. If tax revenue drops, obviously that means cuts in gov't spending will be needed. The salary/benefit packages of the gov't workers are neither cast in stone, nor are they a guaranteed minimum forever, they are simply a PAST agreement that is subject to change when it expires.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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