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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jordace13 View Post
    I can never understand how people can vote against their own interest. The ones that voted for the Gov were any of them the very people he's trying to destroy.
    Scott Walker supposedly got 30% of the Union vote (note, not all municipal union, but union in general)

    Perhaps they were voting with the best interests of their children in mind.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, I have not said the people haven't spoken. They have. Though I'd be slow to take too much from an vote that close.

    What I have said, and you should read slowly, is that their right to unionize is the same as it is in the private sector. And when you try to deny them that right, you effectively regluate them to second class status. They don't have the same rights. What you fail to realize is that in the few states where problems of any significance has arisen, the blame is either equal or more so on the the other side of the negotiating table. If you think your leaders can be bribed, you'd do better to get another leader.
    No. There is no "right to unionize" and expect to keep your job. And you keep saying things as if fact, when most of us know them to be your imaginative folly.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is probably the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Recalls are part of the democratic process; when enough citizens want a recall, then one is performed. IIRC like a million people signed the recall, which is a massive number and therefore - legally and rationally - satisfies the need for one.
    Except that in this case it was a waste of money as the recall did not do what those that called for it wanted it to do. They also only wanted it for one reason and one reason only. To protect their precious public union bargaining "right". If you spend millions of dollars on something and it fails in its purpose then that money was wasted.

    If a recall suceeds then its not a waste. If it fails then it was a waste.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. There is no "right to unionize" and expect to keep your job. And you keep saying things as if fact, when most of us know them to be your imaginative folly.
    NO, I responding to people who said it was OK for the private sector, but not the public. You must keep the conversation in context.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The vast majority of Obama's fundraising comes from small donors. The vast majority of Romney's money comes from millionaires and billionaires.
    Really? Romney was on the ballot against Obama in 2008? Must have missed that one, further didn't know he was on the ballot in the Walker recall either. I really need to find out where you get your information

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Factory workers, retail clerks and, yes, even the UAW doesn't have the sweet deal that public sector employees have. Not anywhere near. All to buy those union votes -- and the contributions the unions make to the coffers of the Democrats to keep their butts in office.
    Not sure that's true (that public sector deals are sweeter . . . overall). And those unions vote as well. It's just a fact that they do vote. And their unions contribute. That is also a fact. And dispite this, both parties win elections. How cna this be?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.
    Throw another temper tantrum, Walker won, get over it

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.
    Yes I know they agreed to the concessions. But how long would those concessions have lasted? The odds are that they would have lasted until a democrat was in office. Then things would have gone back up. Which means that ultimately the situation wasn't fixed. They just put a bandaid on it. Walkers solution was far more permanent.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Yeah, it's easier to depersonalize them as Union Thugs.......
    What were the results of the recall election?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes I know they agreed to the concessions. But how long would those concessions have lasted? The odds are that they would have lasted until a democrat was in office. Then things would have gone back up. Which means that ultimately the situation wasn't fixed. They just put a bandaid on it. Walkers solution was far more permanent.
    MAybe, Maybe not. But this is the nature of negotiations. Works best when both sides participate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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