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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    A union is a collective voice, formalized. What makes someone second class is when they can't do what others do. When you say one group can form a union, and another group can't, you are regulating that group to second class status.

    Try following the argument.
    This is insane. Try this on. When you tell someone that if they take the job, they must join the union, that is to take away their liberty. When you then automatically deduct money from their paychecks to support a political party, you take away more liberty. When you then use the threat of force on a taxpayer to pay you more money, you are now taking away the liberty of that taxpayer.

    The people of Wisconsin spoke. They told the municipal unions that they were full of ****.

    And frankly, I am tiring of the whiney liberal parasites myself.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Ah, a Job Creator speaks. As one who worked for a living close to fifty years, I'll call BS on that.
    Everything that is good about this country was brought about by progressives, including the country itself. With out Unions, you'd still be packing your kids off to the mines or sweatshops, working 6 days a week,10 hours a day for straight time $$$ with no holidays or vacation. Complain & you had better have a nestegg saved because when your canned, there'll be no unemployment comp.
    Wages in right to work states are the lowest in the country. Unions lift all boats.
    At least America was respected by the rest of the world back then.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Walker kept his governor's seat. The people have spoken, and loudly.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No whats baloney is the rich blaming public workers for this deficit that they created, what you call sweetheart retirement plans is something the PRIVATE sector pigs at the trough should be giving to their workers...instead they POCKET it all...thats why theyve gotten fabulously richer when the workers have lost lots of ground...they have successfully pitted the now raped private sector against the only working class making a fair wage..the public sector....Im going to sit here and watch the private sector workers get stripped of even more....their social security and medicate im going to watch the rich get even far more richer while the middle class disappears and then Im going to remind you of these posts and threads here when you whine that you have nothing....not you personally maggie
    I don't know anyone who blames public workers. Put the blame where it belongs: on the politicians and on the union bosses. If "everyone" was at the trough, we'd have rampant inflation. Never going to happen. And the way it is? The working stiff who pays faithfully into Social Security is getting priced out of his home (in those states who use property tax revenue to finance education).

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, auto makers, factory workers, retail clerks can have good benefits and a voice. But teachers, police officers, and firefighters are what . . . . less worthy? I know that wouldn't be your words, but that is the effect isn't it? If they can't organize and negotiate, they are then second class in a real and tangable way.
    Factory workers, retail clerks and, yes, even the UAW doesn't have the sweet deal that public sector employees have. Not anywhere near. All to buy those union votes -- and the contributions the unions make to the coffers of the Democrats to keep their butts in office.

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.
    No. They most assuredly did NOT agree, reluctantly or otherwise, to what Walker proposed. They gave lip service to it in the media, and, meanwhile, in Madison County, the unions and Democrats were rushing their contracts through without any concessions at all. Homework, Evans, homework.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A union is a collective voice, formalized. What makes someone second class is when they can't do what others do. When you say one group can form a union, and another group can't, you are regulating that group to second class status.
    Apparently I am having my rights denied. Interesting.

    Very well, Boo, I accept your logic. If teachers can invade Madison to protest budget cuts, then we shall see how well you favor it when I unionize the Marine Corps and we.... "invade"... Washington DC to lodge our protests over slashes to DOD funding. I'm betting a couple of tanks parked outside the capital and a BN of infantry guarding the exits would focus Congresscritters minds wonderfully on how Very Important It Is To Double Each Military Member's Pay Overnight Regardless Of The Effect On The Budget.



    When portions of a government become an active political interest group, it represents a removal of sovereignty from the populace. It is Government by the Government for the Government.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Apparently I am having my rights denied. Interesting.

    Very well, Boo, I accept your logic. If teachers can invade Madison to protest budget cuts, then we shall see how well you favor it when I unionize the Marine Corps and we.... "invade"... Washington DC to lodge our protests over slashes to DOD funding. I'm betting a couple of tanks parked outside the capital and a BN of infantry guarding the exits would focus Congresscritters minds wonderfully on how Very Important It Is To Double Each Military Member's Pay Overnight Regardless Of The Effect On The Budget.



    When portions of a government become an active political interest group, it represents a removal of sovereignty from the populace. It is Government by the Government for the Government.
    Oh, this is the be silly approach used when you can't address the actual points. I'm well aware of the tactics. However, as one who supports more to the solider, by all means, unionize. But we're not talking about themilitary. We're talking about civilians who do a job, like any other employee. I know that some don't think comparisons should be between things that are actually alike, as that wouldn't work as well for the false point they try to make. But, I insist they must actually be alike.

    There has been no removal of soverity from the public. They can vote for any candidate who runs. They can made negotiating priority in the candidate they want. As I noted earlier, most states handle this rather well. But instead of blaming your leaders where they haven't done a good job, you seek to blame workers. Hence, the battle against workers.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    This is insane. Try this on. When you tell someone that if they take the job, they must join the union, that is to take away their liberty. When you then automatically deduct money from their paychecks to support a political party, you take away more liberty. When you then use the threat of force on a taxpayer to pay you more money, you are now taking away the liberty of that taxpayer.

    The people of Wisconsin spoke. They told the municipal unions that they were full of ****.

    And frankly, I am tiring of the whiney liberal parasites myself.
    First, I have not said the people haven't spoken. They have. Though I'd be slow to take too much from an vote that close.

    What I have said, and you should read slowly, is that their right to unionize is the same as it is in the private sector. And when you try to deny them that right, you effectively regluate them to second class status. They don't have the same rights. What you fail to realize is that in the few states where problems of any significance has arisen, the blame is either equal or more so on the the other side of the negotiating table. If you think your leaders can be bribed, you'd do better to get another leader.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    At least America was respected by the rest of the world back then.
    I can never understand how people can vote against their own interest. The ones that voted for the Gov were any of them the very people he's trying to destroy.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Ah, a Job Creator speaks. As one who worked for a living close to fifty years, I'll call BS on that.
    Everything that is good about this country was brought about by progressives, including the country itself. With out Unions, you'd still be packing your kids off to the mines or sweatshops, working 6 days a week,10 hours a day for straight time $$$ with no holidays or vacation. Complain & you had better have a nestegg saved because when your canned, there'll be no unemployment comp.
    Wages in right to work states are the lowest in the country. Unions lift all boats.
    That's true, they served their purpose. Times have changed since then, as you said, largely do to union effort. Now, there are laws for what the unions fought for, and the unions are no longer needed.
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