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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Please quote where it says that a majority of Obama's funding has come from small donors.

    EDIT: NVM found a reliable source:

    Quote Originally Posted by CFI
    Small donors: Meanwhile, donors who gave $200-or-less were responsible for a remarkable $22.1 million, or 53% of the President’s pre-nomination money from individuals. In the last election, the Obama campaign’s small donor successes did not take off until the fourth quarter of 2007. Over the full 2008 primary season, Obama raised 30% of his $409 million in individual contributions from donors whose contributions aggregated to $200 or less.

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    53% of the president's pre-nomination money. It most definitely will not stay there throughout the election season, though I'm certainly surprised that it is as high as it is.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.
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    The keyword there is "can". Doesn't mean that he has to. And even if the governor does there is nothing to stop that governor from telling the person he sends to negotiate a certain way.

    How many stockholders do you know that would want their CEO to negotiate their buisness into the ground? Yes CEO's make bad decisions in which could make the company fall. Yes they got bailouts. I was against them then and I'm against the bailouts now. But two wrongs do not make a right.

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    These guys could certainly afford to...

    "In addition to the $787,637 salary of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Bell pays Police Chief Randy Adams $457,000 a year, about 50% more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck or Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and more than double New York City's police commissioner. Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia makes $376,288 annually, more than most city managers."

    "Rizzo would be entitled to a state pension of more than $650,000 per year for life, the Times said. That would make him the highest-paid retiree in the state pension system.

    At age 62, when Rizzo could also begin receiving Social Security payments, his annual pension would rise to $976,771, topping $1 million two years later.

    If he lives to age 83, his annual payout would rise to $1.48 million.

    Adams could get more than $411,000 per year, and Spaccia, who is 51-year-old, could get as much as $250,000 a year when she reaches 55."

    I'm sure they work hard for it though....I mean managing a city with a population of 35,000 and all...

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    As of the end of April, 43 percent of the donors who contributed to the Obama campaign gave $200 or less, generating a total of $88.5 million, according to the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan Washington research group. By contrast, only 10 percent of those who gave to former governor Mitt Romney’s campaign had made donations of $200 or less, accounting for $9.8 million.
    Obama nearly has 10 times more money that Romney according to these donation figures. %57 of Obama donors still gave over $200. For all we know due to Obama's sheer amount of money that he has had more millionaires and corporations donating to him.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    That's a talking point designed to trick those who would benefit from unions into opposeing them.
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    Labor Unions are huge multibillion dollar businesses run by thugs and supported through intimidation..

    At one time they may have served a purpose but those days are long past.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Yeah, it's easier to depersonalize them as Union Thugs.......
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    Yea all those teachers, firefighters, policemen, are all thugs... These labor unions dont do **** for them!

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Do you just make this **** up ?

    They can have all the collective voice they want. They can get together after work and yell as loud as they want. What they have no right to is a Union that they are forced to join. The Union has no right to take their money. It is up to the State to decide.

    Where do you get this "second class citizen" bull**** ? Are only that part of the workforce that are in Unions "first-class" ?

    The argument you have made is just plain stooooopid.
    A union is a collective voice, formalized. What makes someone second class is when they can't do what others do. When you say one group can form a union, and another group can't, you are regulating that group to second class status.

    Try following the argument.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Write your Congress peeps & tell them you want him/her to vote for an amendment to overturn "Citizens United" & to propose a bill the gets all private $$$ out of elections & vote for it. Return to the Tax check-off system.
    I did both. For what it's worth.

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    Guess it isn't a sad day when Obama outspent McCain 3-1 and won? You think the people are so stupid that their votes can be bought?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    No he does not because it is not true.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    1. You were responding to a post about the 2008 election, so comparing Obama and Mitt Romney was irrelevant.

    2. You were still wrong on both counts. The "vast majority" of fundraising for Obama does not come from small donors.

    Summary data for Barack Obama | OpenSecrets
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    Khayembii's link is from June 30, 2011.
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