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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    NO, you pointed out the difference and suggested this difference made them OK, but that public servants have no right to such benefits or to negotiate as a group. You clearly are promoting denying them a collective voice, making them in effect second class citizens.
    Do you just make this **** up ?

    They can have all the collective voice they want. They can get together after work and yell as loud as they want. What they have no right to is a Union that they are forced to join. The Union has no right to take their money. It is up to the State to decide.

    Where do you get this "second class citizen" bull**** ? Are only that part of the workforce that are in Unions "first-class" ?

    The argument you have made is just plain stooooopid.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't miss that. I didn't buy it. Of course there are checks against them. Govenors are elected and removed and replaced through the vote. No one has a gun to their head to agree to anything. And when budgets fail, these employees lose jobs and have other contratints applied. There are checks.
    Bold: Which is what happened with Walker. I understand that. But what happened when Walker attempted to place real restrictions on public unions? More tax payer money was wasted because of public unions to deal with a recall election.

    Underlined: This never happens until after the government budget fails. When a government budget fails it affects EVERYONE. Both public and private citizens. Why should the actions of a public union be able to affect private citizens? And then what happens when the government gets its budget back above the line? Those people that lost their jobs have a chance at getting the same jobs back. Which will just ultimately bring the governments budget back down again.

    And what other constraints are there against public unions? Those negotiated in a contract? Yeah...we see how well those constraints worked when all those teachers in Wisconsin went on strike despite their negoiated contract stating that they were not allowed to.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: Which is what happened with Walker. I understand that. But what happened when Walker attempted to place real restrictions on public unions? More tax payer money was wasted because of public unions to deal with a recall election.

    Underlined: This never happens until after the government budget fails. When a government budget fails it affects EVERYONE. Both public and private citizens. Why should the actions of a public union be able to affect private citizens? And then what happens when the government gets its budget back above the line? Those people that lost their jobs have a chance at getting the same jobs back. Which will just ultimately bring the governments budget back down again.

    And what other constraints are there against public unions? Those negotiated in a contract? Yeah...we see how well those constraints worked when all those teachers in Wisconsin went on strike despite their negoiated contract stating that they were not allowed to.
    Yes, challenges are costly in both the private and public sector. And no, public employees do lose jobs before they fail as well. Having been through it, I know first hand that it happens. You do realize there are more states who are not having the problems often mentioned here than are?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That is your excuse, you could not win on the merits, so you pick an excuse. Liberals are good at finding excesses for failure. Obama can out raise Romney all he wants but that will not change the fact our economy and the unemployment numbers suck. People are not stupid.


    Also im not a liberal so stop with your partisan bull****.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    It's time to go after ALL unions, public or private.

    The sooner we bust the unions, the better this country will be.
    Yea **** organized labor! What the hell do they do? What have they ever done for workers!? Lets become China and get rid of all labors and see how quick those labor laws go away! LONG LIVE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE INTENDED ONLY TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE FEW!!! DOWN WITH ORGANIZED LABOR!!!


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea **** organized labor! What the hell do they do? What have they ever done for workers!? Lets become China and get rid of all labors and see how quick those labor laws go away! LONG LIVE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE INTENDED ONLY TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE FEW!!! DOWN WITH ORGANIZED LABOR!!!
    Labor Unions are huge multibillion dollar businesses run by thugs and supported through intimidation..

    At one time they may have served a purpose but those days are long past.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea **** organized labor! What the hell do they do? What have they ever done for workers!? Lets become China and get rid of all labors and see how quick those labor laws go away! LONG LIVE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE INTENDED ONLY TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE FEW!!! DOWN WITH ORGANIZED LABOR!!!
    Well one thing orgnaized labor did was get their a** handed to them by the voters of Wisconcin.

    Finally the voters figured out the state workers, are making more money than they do, and sent them a message - "I'm footing the bill for your nice bennies" and it's gonna stop now.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    More tax payer money was wasted because of public unions to deal with a recall election.
    This is probably the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Recalls are part of the democratic process; when enough citizens want a recall, then one is performed. IIRC like a million people signed the recall, which is a massive number and therefore - legally and rationally - satisfies the need for one.

    If you want to whine about the cost of a recall then you should be whining about the cost of all elections and argue against democracy as it is too expensive.

    Well one thing orgnaized labor did was get their a** handed to them by the voters of Wisconcin.
    Organized labor are voters. False dichotomy in a dishonest attempt to separate organized laborers from voters/taxpayers.

    BTW, collective bargaining is good for the state because it makes negotiations easier for both sides. I don't think most people posting in this thread against collective bargaining understand what it was like without it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well one thing orgnaized labor did was get their a** handed to them by the voters of Wisconcin.

    Finally the voters figured out the state workers, are making more money than they do, and sent them a message - "I'm footing the bill for your nice bennies" and it's gonna stop now.
    Ohhhh so its the politics of "envy"...?


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Labor Unions are huge multibillion dollar businesses run by thugs and supported through intimidation..

    At one time they may have served a purpose but those days are long past.
    Yea all those teachers, firefighters, policemen, are all thugs... These labor unions dont do **** for them!


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