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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Hmmm....I called people "anti American"? And I am sure with your obsession with me that you have saved proof? If not Sit back Down! Anyone can make up ****.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Why is it that liberals (declared or not) always have to use this type of hyperbolic crap when prefacing their arguments?

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    It is so dishonest.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
    I agree, it was a sad day in 2008 when the Presidency was bought. I mean it's clear Obama only won because he outspent Republicans 2-to-1. Personally, I would have never known who to vote for if it wasn't for those fancy TV commercials and sleek bumper sticker designs.

    I wonder, why was it that Obama was able to raise twice as much as McCain? Why did Wall Street invest so heavily in him?
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
    that is not, nor has ever been, the deciding factor in elections.

    there is simply no linear relationship, in politics, with the amount of money a candidate has and his/her degree of success in elections.

    common perception of this issue is generally wrong and one would be wise to cease trying to further manipulate that perception in the wrong direction.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that is not, nor has ever been, the deciding factor in elections.

    there is simply no linear relationship, in politics, with the amount of money a candidate has and his/her degree of success in elections.

    common perception of this issue is generally wrong and one would be wise to cease trying to further manipulate that perception in the wrong direction.
    Let me be the first....proof please? Shouldn't be too hard. Just look up how much each President has spent for thier campaigns vs how much their opponent spent. I'd say for a good read on this you'll have to go back at least 100 years.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
    Money helps with marketing but money isn't the reason people win elections. Case in point, 2008 Mitt Romney outspent John Mccain like crazy, and he still didn't get anywhere close to the nomination.

    I'm not sure why the media pushes this notion that money = political wins. If your district votes very heavily democratic and liberal, and very rarely votes conservative, you can outspend your opponent 10-to-1 promoting conservative policies, you STILL won't win.

    Scott Walker didn't win because he "outspent" his opponent, he won because the VOTERS of Wisconsin understand that we need fiscal responsibility.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Wisconsin Progressive? LOL, what a surprise!! the election is over, Walker won, get over it.
    Skippy won, yeah, but we took back the senate, so now he gets to chill out until the next election.

    I'm over it, until he comes after the private unions.. and opens that wound.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Money helps with marketing but money isn't the reason people win elections. Case in point, 2008 Mitt Romney outspent John Mccain like crazy, and he still didn't get anywhere close to the nomination.

    I'm not sure why the media pushes this notion that money = political wins. If your district votes very heavily democratic and liberal, and very rarely votes conservative, you can outspend your opponent 10-to-1 promoting conservative policies, you STILL won't win.

    Scott Walker didn't win because he "outspent" his opponent, he won because the VOTERS of Wisconsin understand that we need fiscal responsibility.
    So he felt the need to raise an 8 to 1 margin over his opponent because money doesn't have anything to do with elections??? Don't you think his campaign finance committee would have told him to stop wasting time raising money if they thought he didn't need to have a healthy lead in cash?

    I'll give you this... In a place like Wisconsin, most peoples minds were already made up. There were very few independents who hadn't already figured it out. However, on a national stage, advertisements are not there to persuade democrats or republicans... they are there to persuade the undecided independent voters. So yes, money and advertisements are everything when it comes to national stage elections.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Let me be the first....proof please? Shouldn't be too hard. Just look up how much each President has spent for thier campaigns vs how much their opponent spent. I'd say for a good read on this you'll have to go back at least 100 years.

    Good luck.
    Actually the Freakonomics guy devotes I think a good section to pointing that out.

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