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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    To me itís a simple case of the people of Wisconsin voicing their opinion, placing their vote, and the results are in. They want to give Walker his term in office. The why and wherefores of what the outcome of the recall election is now a mute point.

    The liberals are looking for excuses, so they use the money, which I find a bit hilarious, you donít see them saying anything about Obama out spending McCain in the presidential election, I guess to them outspending only counts when they get outspent and lose??

    The majority of the people in Wisconsin have spoken,
    The majority of people in Wisonsin are uneducated dolts who were duped into thinking that any state money available due to walker's policies will be returned to them--the taxpayers, instead of subsidies to other private businesses/individuals.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Wisconsin Progressive? LOL, what a surprise!! the election is over, Walker won, get over it.
    Oh look, another dodge by conservative.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Actually, Wisconsin is ranked 24th in job creation (well above dead last) and has a lower than average unemployment rate.
    One of you has supporting links. The other... not so much.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Oh look, another dodge by conservative.
    Another dodge? Didn't Walker win?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    One of you has supporting links. The other... not so much.
    I know, BLS.gov is a partisan site but only when it offers data that doesn't support your point of view.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Good results being? He said he balanced the budget, but he did not. He is paying down the interest on the deficit and by using some accounting tricks makes it look as though he has paid off the state deficit. He has been dead-last in the nation as far as job creation. He said he reduced taxes, however, by reducing the earned-income credit, and removing the homestead credit he has effectively raised the taxes on the poorest in the state. He has had nearly 2 years now to turn this state around, when is it going to happen?
    I get your point, but the bolded, I support. In fact, I support getting rid of it altogether actually.

    *edit.. my bad. I mistook it. I had read that plus the following line and was thinking of the housing tax credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I know, BLS.gov is a partisan site but only when it offers data that doesn't support your point of view.
    When you learn how to read stats like trends the BLS shows, then maybe you'd have a point. Until then you just keep believing that Bush is 100% repsonsible for not protecting us on 9/11.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    When you learn how to read stats like trends the BLS shows, then maybe you'd have a point. Until then you just keep believing that Bush is 100% repsonsible for not protecting us on 9/11.
    I keep waiting for you to teach me how to read the data but all I get are platitudes.

    Would love to have you explain these trends to me

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST55000003
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by John Tucker View Post
    For the 1700th time, I don't listen to talk radio, I don't like Rush and I really don't like Sean Hannity that much either. Bill Oreilly is cool with me, he's not a far right nut job. Glenn Beck is "ok" but he gets too far right and crazy as well.
    You do listen rush, hannity, and o'reilly--they're the sole source of your information about the whole world (along w/foxnews).

    If that weren't true, then you (like all other conservatives) wouldn't be ignorant/naive enough to believe that the GOP even remotely stands for anything close to fiscal responsibility. . .

    In response to a question from TPMDC, House Minority Leader John Boehner said he believes taxpayers should help pick up the tab for the clean up.

    "I think the people responsible in the oil spill--BP and the federal government--should take full responsibility for what's happening there," Boehner said at his weekly press conference this morning.

    GOP Leader Boehner: Taxpayers Should Pay For This BP Oil Mess - Business Insider
    Republican Congressmen wrote letters to DOE supporting energy loans for their districts

    In his testimony before a Congressional Committee investigating the Solyndra bankruptcy, Energy Secretary Chu said that he had over 500 letters from GOP Congressmen urging him to support the very loans they are trying to kill.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Exactly. Johnson is at the top of my list right now actually. If he were to get into the debates, I think his chances of getting elected are rather decent.
    I saw this, guffawed, and went to search for an old post I made to point out how ridiculous this expectation or thought is. Then I realized, upon seeing the other post, that it was actually made in response to you lamenting about Johnson probably not getting into the debates. At least at that point you didn't suggest that somehow getting in the debates would give him a reasonable chance, or even an outside chance, to win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The Libertarian Party couldn't manage even .5% of the popular vote last year. That's less than half a percent. Same goes for 2004. Guess what, same goes for 2000 as well. Actually, if you add up their percentage of the popular vote for the past THREE Presidential elections you BARELY get over 1% total of the popular vote (1.08%). Look at that again, you've got to add up their votes for the past three elections to even get to 1% of the popular vote. Over the past twenty years, that's 6 elections, they've not even broken 2.5% combined (2.33%) with their highest in that span being half a percent in 1996. That's pathetic.

    Even if we assumed that being in the debates would give them...hell, lets go crazy...a 500% bump in their COMBINED results they'd still only have 14% of the popular vote. And that's going off their combined totals from 6 elections. Going off their average, to get to that same measely 14%, would mean that they'd need a 3,500% bump. To get from their average over the past 20 years (.39) to even a THIRD of the popular vote would mean an increase of almost 8,500%. I don't care if they had a debate that was nothing BUT the Libertarian candidate on stage, there's no way in hell that it's going to give them a 500% bump let alone one 17 times that amount.

    A libertarian candidate can't even garner enough interest on their own merits and platform to warrant 1% of the popular vote, there's no good reason to waste the voteres time by inviting them into the debates because the libertarians have no better claim (unless they use their same generalized style of argument used against them) for that than the Constitutional party, the Green party, random independents, etc. Which means you suddenly have Presidential debates watered down, wasting time and doing a disservice to the voters, with half a dozen candidates who are about as likely as Mickey Mouse of having any impact on the national election.

    Get a Libertarian Candidate who can poll at the necessary level of 15% and they'll get in on the debates. Hell, I'd be fine at putting it at 10%...last election cycle Bobb Barr didn't even garner that much in any poll. Till then, Johnson has no more business in a Presidential debate than Grimace or that crazy dude down the street holding a "the end is nigh" sign.
    As Jesse Venture and Ross Perot proved what can happen when you are allowed to participate in the debates. The only other issue is the Libertarian ballot access in all states.
    Ventura was on a state level. Ross Perot also had oodles of Cash, had managed to poll well enough to hit 15% prior to the debates (Which Johnson hasn't but he has the same shot to do it was Perot), and wasn't tied ideologically to a specific party.

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