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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This issue was a huge waster of our time and money. Both politicians should be ashamed of their immaturity and their smear campaigns. Barrett especially with his "Scott Walker is a rock star" gimmicky attacks. All of this time and energy was wasted, over $50,000,000 spent, for nothing.

    Both politicians don't seem to give a damn about the rest of us. They seem far more content to waste money to keep themselves and their party members in power.

    The only good thing about this drama is its end.
    I wouldn't say it was a waste of time. Walker winning means politicians can stand up to the unions. This is a major victory for anyone who thinks unions power should be curtailed and this is a victory for anyone who thinks people should actually have a choice in whether or not they want to join a union instead of it being forced on any new employees. Walker losing would have been a victory for everyone who does not think union power should be curtailed.If Walker lost then every politician who thought about curtailing union power would have not done so or have been very reluctant to do so.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He isn't jumping for joy. He is being a hack, and I am glad the people have spoken FTR.
    How about you jump...on outta the thread, because you're more interested in discussing other posters and not the topic.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Breaking news, so I don't have a link yet. WIll update once it posts.

    Walker emerges victorious in Wisconsin recall - NBC Politics
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That's it? Can you give me specifics regarding "liberal transfer of wealth and unions" in Wisconsin? I mean exactly how much money which union and of that money how much was transferred to liberals? My money says you can't.
    What ? You think that I am going to waste time looking up data to post for you, when IMMHO you should already be aware of it as a poster here ?

    Here's what you can do, if you want to know. Google "Government employee unions pensions benefits" and then add a state name. I suggest beginning with Califonia, and Illinois.

    As for you expecting to be given a handout, I will refer to the Cinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    LMFAO.....you libs sure are great at spewing the same old talking points.....even if those talking points are borderline retarded. Anyone who believes the people in Wisconsin relied almost exclusively on political ads to shape their opinions on this race is either the dullest knife in the drawer or a partisan hack.
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    Yeah, that's the ticket.....not enough coverage and an uninformed voting public! LMFAO
    That's your specific response to AdamT regarding the Citizens United ruling... which is pretty much unrestrained money for advertising. So the question that remains is... Why do you call your own logic retarded?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It is sad to me that a hell of a lot partisans view it like a supporting a sports team. Winning is all that matters. I'd venture to say with a choice between Romney and Obama winning doesn't matter all that much.

    I'm jazzed about Gary Johnson as the LP nominee. He makes a great deal of sense and he has a great track record. What a breath of fresh air.
    I didnt know much about Johnson until Dana mentioned him. I like a lot about him. I was glad to see him escape the GOP cattle chute. I only HOPE that there will be loud enough support to insist that he be included in the debates. I dont think he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning...but I think he could open a lot of peoples eyes to intelligent reasonable third party alternatives.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What ? You think that I am going to waste time looking up data to post for you, when IMMHO you should already be aware of it as a poster here ?

    Here's what you can do, if you want to know. Google "Government employee unions pensions benefits" and then add a state name. I suggest beginning with Califonia, and Illinois.

    As for you expecting to be given a handout, I will refer to the Cinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

    And then one can sell that fisherperson the hook, line and sinker!

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What ? You think that I am going to waste time looking up data to post for you, when IMMHO you should already be aware of it as a poster here ?

    Here's what you can do, if you want to know. Google "Government employee unions pensions benefits" and then add a state name. I suggest beginning with Califonia, and Illinois.

    As for you expecting to be given a handout, I will refer to the Cinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
    I'm still waitng for your to provide some support. And working for a wage and earning a pension is not a handout. So, be a little more specific about that if you can.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by John Tucker View Post
    Lol, hey AdamT and the rest of you liberals, wake up. Your policies don't work, NO STATE can afford your policies and states that reject your foolish ideas get their houses in order and their economic growth rates higher.
    The thing that gets me about conservatives is that they have this fantasy view of life where everything works according to these talk radio platitudes, and they really really could not care less if their platitudes bear the slightest relation to reality. So in this case, the platitude is that (of course) government and unions = BAD, so you put the two together ... well! Whereas in reality, these public servants are performing extremely important functions and they aren't payed all that well. No, they aren't rich, or even upper middle class. Yes, the services they perform will suffer if you pay them less. No, cutting worker pay isn't the only way balance a budget. No, the state wasn't going broke, and certainly not because school teachers were living high on the hog. There's that BIG PICTURE you thought you were seeing but weren't actually seeing.

    So yes, the best way to insure a state's prosperity is to attract a healthy tax base. Is the best way to do that to have the lowest possible taxes? No. The best way to attract a healthy tax base is to have a good balance between taxes and services, and of course to have AN EDUCATED WORKFORCE and GOOD SCHOOLS and SAFE COMMUNITIES.

    But how is all this working out? Are these Tea Party governors performing as promised? Not so much, as it turns out. Walker is putting up the worst job numbers in the country. In Florida, Rick Scott has created a tiny fraction of the jobs he promised he would create, and he has one of the lowest approval ratings in the country. In New Jersey, Christie doesn't have the revenue to make good on his promised tax cuts, but he's going to do them anyway by BORROWING $260 million to finance transportation projects (he lied). Etc.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I didnt know much about Johnson until Dana mentioned him. I like a lot about him. I was glad to see him escape the GOP cattle chute. I only HOPE that there will be loud enough support to insist that he be included in the debates. I dont think he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning...but I think he could open a lot of peoples eyes to intelligent reasonable third party alternatives.
    Exactly. Johnson is at the top of my list right now actually. If he were to get into the debates, I think his chances of getting elected are rather decent. As Jesse Venture and Ross Perot proved what can happen when you are allowed to participate in the debates. The only other issue is the Libertarian ballot access in all states.

    *edit:

    Found out that they are only not on the ballot in:


    West Virginia
    Louisiana
    District of Columbia
    Connecticut


    Not much to overcome with regards to electoral college there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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