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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you have been doing to produce such a ridiculous belief. The funding for my job comes from the same sources that fund Republicans in the same positions. CLUE for the CLUELESS: it has nothing to do with unions or union money.
    Right, the taxpayers of the state of Michigan

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    How can one "repudiate the numbers" when all they are is numbers without sources to examine?
    Last month according to an article in the NY Times that was over 17 million dollars spent on behalf of the unions and then of course there were the non reported dollars spent on behalf of unions. Keep spreading that DNC talking point that this was all about money for that is all you have left.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Why would that be a downer, you are absolutely correct as investors invest their own money to make a profit and the Wisconsin results indicate that a strong leader taking action against skyrocketing costs due to union benefits could be an indication that better days are coming. Now we get rid of Obama and really turn the economy around.
    Naive viewpoint at best, union benefits simply aren't a driving force for stock oriented decisions by investors (Good ones at least.) You're placing far too much stock (no pun intended) in this win.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I hate to be a downer, but something tells me that investors weren't withholding capital awaiting the Wisconsin gubernatorial results.
    What point do you hope to make with that drivel ?

    On a state level, are you not aware of business fleeing both California and Illlinois, to name two ? Are you aware of what is causing such ? Did you look at the earlier link with regard to business-friendly states, and bother to understand why ? On the national level, are you not aware of the $2 trillion plus sitting on the sidelines, in business coiffures, waiting for an improvement in the business climate, beginning with a government that is more business-friendly ?

    Liberals ruin the business environment.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Naive viewpoint at best, union benefits simply aren't a driving force for stock oriented decisions by investors (Good ones at least.) You're placing far too much stock (no pun intended) in this win.
    Is that right? What is your experience in making that statement? What do expenses have to do with company profits?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Naive viewpoint at best, union benefits simply aren't a driving force for stock oriented decisions by investors (Good ones at least.) You're placing far too much stock (no pun intended) in this win.
    Folly. Those states with the most onerous public employee unions, and the pension baggage that comes with them, are losing businesses. They are moving to other states. It is not a coincidence.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What point do you hope to make with that drivel ?

    Liberals ruin the business environment.
    Drivel? Nah, just pointing out that the Wisconsin results most likely had very little to zero impact on stocks, the much more plausible explanation would be the fed suggesting further extending monetary easing into the forseeable future. Bank Of America, Morgan Stanley Shares Skyrocket On Hopes Of More Fed Easing - Forbes

    Stock market has done just fine under Democrats in general, so why the giant contradiction?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Drivel? Nah, just pointing out that the Wisconsin results most likely had very little to zero impact on stocks, the much more plausible explanation would be the fed suggesting further extending monetary easing into the forseeable future. Bank Of America, Morgan Stanley Shares Skyrocket On Hopes Of More Fed Easing - Forbes

    Stock market has done just fine under Democrats in general, so why the giant contradiction?
    The post you responded to referenced far more than "stocks". It referenced turning the country around, and investment in America. We are in a bit of a bad economic situation nationally, and it ain't the stock market that is the problem.

    Further, at state levels we have perfect indicators of what works as a successful business environment, and what does not. If we kick that assclown Obama out of DC in November, maybe we can begin to adapt what works to a national level again. Wisconsin is a perfect microcosm of the fight ahead and the solution needed.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i've had this argument with him before, he seems to think that even though the state worker performs a service to earn that money, that the "state"(taxpayers) get to dictate to the individual how they are to spend their paycheck, he believes, even after the money has been paid, the 'taxpayer' has a claim on it.
    that argument would stick if the dues actually got the the employee and the went down the line to the unions... but with automatic deductions, unions employees are not in control of that money at any point in time... they have no choice in how to spend that money.
    the unions have it set up so that taxpayer money comes directly to them ( and really, yo uare trying to argue that paying taxes is the same as paying for a service?... idiocy)

    you are a union employee, you should know this... you don't write monthly checks to the union for your dues, nor do you have that option... that money is beyond your control.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What last night showed is that the people support what Walker is doing and that results actually matter. That doesn't bode well for November for Obama because Obama cannot run on his record. Unions wasted millions and millions of dollars to lose in a landslide.
    The waste of money was the result of the unions employing bad political strategy, nothing more. Among their tactical failures is the fact that still rely on the (currenty outdated) technique of sponsoring candidates from only one one major political party, instead of both.

    Today, modern PACs and corporations always distribute their cash to candidates of both colors in order to ensure their objectives are met in Congress and local legislatures, regardless of the outcome of elections. But unions don't because their leaders are dumb.

    If the unions had smart presidents, they would have long ago dumped vast sums of money into Walker's pocket so as to keep him loyal and prevent this catastrophe.

    So, in a nutshell, they made their beds by only making one side of the bed, and that's what they slept in.

    Case closed.

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