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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    what part of the money now belongs to the individual, who may do with it as they please, don't you understand....not that i expect a response, as you are trying to ignore me...lol
    I like how these same right wing zealots can talk about property rights on the one hand and then vomit up this sort of nonsense when it suits them. Damn hypocrities!!!!!
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Probably the same number of union heads that vote on a bill. Of course I understand what lobbying is. Unions do it too. That's the game and how it's played.

    There are many companies that would be forced to go out of business or scale way back without defense contracts, and would have to fire a lot of people. The funding for these contracts comes from taxes.
    Pure speculation that ignores reality. You are so concerned about lobbyists and who they give money to yet ignore the public union money that they use to support politicians that support their causes. It works both ways but the bottomline s Walker won, union membership has dropped significantly and Wisconsin has moved from number 41 to 24 in business climate, 2011-2012.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The MacIver Institute!?!??!?!!?!?
    Considering some of the sources you have used.....

    Besides any of that, the numbers used in that chart are verifiable from election commission filings so they are open to the public. All he did was put them into a chart.
    Care to discuss or attempt to debunk the financials reported?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i've had this argument with him before, he seems to think that even though the state worker performs a service to earn that money, that the "state"(taxpayers) get to dictate to the individual how they are to spend their paycheck, he believes, even after the money has been paid, the 'taxpayer' has a claim on it.
    Well, if it's a union employee...

    Nobody is capable of the mental gymnastics that Con is to justify his beliefs. Even when he loses, he turns it into "Obama's results," and "I vote for results, not rhetoric." Even I could do his shtick at this point. He should be forced to change his user name to "Republican."


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    it is only freedom apparently if con gets to determine exactly what 'freedom' is...
    He would do really well fitting in here in the Republican majority in the Michigan legislature. They have a big government solution to every little local community problem and it matters not to them that they have preached the total opposite for decades now.

    "I am from the government and I am here to help" is their new mantra.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The MacIver Institute!?!??!?!!?!?
    those figures seem pretty fair to me. certainly more then the numbers I see hacks such as Rachel Maddow trying to claim.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Considering some of the sources you have used.....

    Besides any of that, the numbers used in that chart are verifiable from election commission filings so they are open to the public. All he did was put them into a chart.
    Care to discuss or attempt to debunk the financials reported?
    What sources of mine do you have trouble with? I went to the chart and saw no validation or support for anything on it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So ya got no clothes.

    All you can do is cite rhetoric. Its not the old governors fault but its Walkers fault jobs havent been created. No discussion on where the budget was headed, what the policies were, no discussion on if maintaining public contracts is the right thing or even economically feasible in the immediate, short, and long term. No discussions on funding of retirement program, no discussion on the education system, improvements, ways and means to enhance jobs growth. At the end of the day...Walker evil, Unions innocent victims...
    If Obama can blame Bush, why can't Walker? He has been WI governor for 1.5 years and has yet to turn the state's economy around. I am turely SHOCKED, not! Please explain why he had over a $3 billion deficit when he statred and now has barely over $1 million deficit to deal with. Was WI in better shape BEFORE governor Walker? Hmm...
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Pure speculation that ignores reality. You are so concerned about lobbyists and who they give money to yet ignore the public union money that they use to support politicians that support their causes. It works both ways but the bottomline s Walker won, union membership has dropped significantly and Wisconsin has moved from number 41 to 24 in business climate, 2011-2012.
    I'm not that concerned with lobbyists. I have no problem with them in general. You're the one who's obssessed with unions. Yes, they use their money to support politicians that support their causes. So does the NRA, so do hundreds of groups on both sides. Welcome to American politics.

    The government employees are employees, and once the money is paid to them as salary, it is their money. The fact that you can't wrap your head around this is baffling. How dense can you be?

    Nice try to change the subject at the end. You must realize your failure because you always change the subject when you lose.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He would do really well fitting in here in the Republican majority in the Michigan legislature. They have a big government solution to every little local community problem and it matters not to them that they have preached the total opposite for decades now.

    "I am from the government and I am here to help" is their new mantra.
    Get ready, Wisconsin results would indicate to me tht Illinois, then Michigan are next. You must be proud of your 46th ranking in business climate, which is better than the 48 number last year when Snyder took office. Say good bye to your union funding so you can keep your job

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