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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You just have to look at your maps to see that many of the worst-off states are right to work states.
    That one map is actually about concentration of government employees.

    Though it is interesting that for all the talk of California's "big government" there are fewer government employees per thousand people than in Texas or Alaska, which are presumed to have smaller governments.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    That is fail article that ignores all the facts from the exit poll. It fails as much as you do here on a daily basis.
    the exit poll indicating a near toss up in the Governor race?

    haha. you people are delusional. the exit poll was way off, it clearly put too high a weight on democrats to show such a close election that didn't materialize.

    extrapolate the mistake, and this so called big lead is pretty questionable.

    on the other hand, treating this election as a normal election is absurd. There was a non-partisan dislike for the way democrats played their hand in using the recall election.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    So what, just put a dollar figure on all protests? I wonder how much in todays dollars MLK's "I have a dream" speech was worth to the pro-civil rights side? How much in publicity was the TPers disrupting Town Hall meetings across the country worth?

    It's ridiculous to go down this road.
    Its not at all ridiculous. The majority of all campaign dollars goes into marketing...advertising. The unions ORGANIZED rallies. Union members not only participated but in the instance of school employees they brought their own students. Instead of having to pay for campaign adds, the unions and democrats had the entire MSNBC network running full length broadcasts. The numbers are pretty clear. The people disagree with the recall campaign. Maybe it has more to do woith where the state was and was headed before Walker was elected and less about securing union interests at the taxpayer expense.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    the exit poll indicating a near toss up in the Governor race?

    haha. you people are delusional. the exit poll was way off, it clearly put too high a weight on democrats to show such a close election that didn't materialize.

    extrapolate the mistake, and this so called big lead is pretty questionable.

    on the other hand, treating this election as a normal election is absurd. There was a non-partisan dislike for the way democrats played their hand in using the recall election.
    Why is it questionable? i think reagan was the last GOP president wisconsin voted for. 18% of walker voters said they will vote for obama? Do you seriously thing wisconsin is in play? I don't unless another recession happens and i dont think that's likely.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    That is fail article that ignores all the facts from the exit poll. It fails as much as you do here on a daily basis.
    NO, what the article did is something you never do and that is to analyze the data from the exit polls, you know those exit polls that called the election too close to call?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You just have to look at your maps to see that many of the worst-off states are right to work states.
    Actually no. The best measure of a States fiscal health is their bond rating, or most specifically, the cost of bond insurance, as this goes most to the risk of default.

    Here is a fairly current map color-coded and with ratings. Illinois and California are the lowest rated.:

    Monday Map: State Credit Ratings | Tax Foundation

    After those two, are Michigan, New Jersey, and Arizona.

    The reason such as Florida is rated high in credit worthiness, while it was also on the top 10 debt list, is that Florida has plenty of tax resources available. It is not "tapped-out" as such as CA and IL.

    I would suggest that a well-informed opinion on a few things is better than an uninformed opinion on everything.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Why is it questionable? i think reagan was the last GOP president wisconsin voted for. 18% of walker voters said they will vote for obama? Do you seriously thing wisconsin is in play? I don't unless another recession happens and i dont think that's likely.
    23 million unemployed and under Employed Americans TODAY are in a recession or worse a depression and it is due to the Obama economic policies that are a failure.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    NO, what the article did is something you never do and that is to analyze the data from the exit polls, you know those exit polls that called the election too close to call?
    No exit poll said that. Pre-election polls maybe. Exit polls... no.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually no. The best measure of a States fiscal health is their bond rating, or most specifically, the cost of bond insurance, as this goes most to the risk of default.

    Here is a fairly current map color-coded and with ratings. Illinois and California are the lowest rated.:

    Monday Map: State Credit Ratings | Tax Foundation

    After those two, are Michigan, New Jersey, and Arizona.

    The reason such as Florida is rated high in credit worthiness, while it was also on the top 10 debt list, is that Florida has plenty of tax resources available. It is not "tapped-out" as such as CA and IL.

    I would suggest that a well-informed opinion on a few things is better than an uninformed opinion on everything.
    Excellent post but you are talking to people who believe in an ideology so much that they ignore actual data and facts.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its not at all ridiculous. The majority of all campaign dollars goes into marketing...advertising. The unions ORGANIZED rallies. Union members not only participated but in the instance of school employees they brought their own students. Instead of having to pay for campaign adds, the unions and democrats had the entire MSNBC network running full length broadcasts. The numbers are pretty clear. The people disagree with the recall campaign. Maybe it has more to do woith where the state was and was headed before Walker was elected and less about securing union interests at the taxpayer expense.
    Sure, but the TP rallies got plenty of coverage on Fox (this isn't about Fox, but their lean is as clear as MSNBC's), and that probably helped Republicans in the 2010 election, and maybe this year too. Big political demonstrations get news coverage. So sure, it didn't hurt to have the rallies that the unions had, but that's not a bad thing.

    And I don't care about how much was spent on Walker's behalf. Unions and Democrats were just as able to spend an equal amount in support of the recall. They didn't, but whose fault is that, right?


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