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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good, public unions getting their money from the taxpayers has no business spending that money to take more from the taxpayers.
    false. once we pay a person for the work they do, they have just as much right to funnel that into political action causes as you or I.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
    Yet they have plenty of money to get their message out to the voters to consider. You make it sound like people are so stupid that the idea they see more often is the one that they will accept. I disagree with that assumption. I give people enough credit that if exposed to the opinion of both (many?) sides of any issue that they will decide which to agree with. I see countless commercials for many products that I will not buy, and a few that will get me to try something new. ;-)
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Yet they have plenty of money to get their message out to the voters to consider. You make it sound like people are so stupid that the idea they see more often is the one that they will accept. I disagree with that assumption. I give people enough credit that if exposed to the opinion of both (many?) sides of any issue that they will decide which to agree with. I see countless commercials for many products that I will not buy, and a few that will get me to try something new. ;-)
    So your theory is that a massive fundraising differential doesn't matter?

    I would say that that's contradicted by thousands of elections.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    No, I'm just going to believe what's true. And you can't get an idea of union state versus non-union state fiscal situations by just looking at union states. It's pretty basic stuff.
    Nah, its a factor.

    Fighting to Free Workers’ Paychecks from Union Bosses: Advancing the Right to Work | RedState
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    Persistent and acute state budget deficits? It
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    10 States With the Largest Budget Shortfalls - US News and World Report
    Shortfalls in the millions
    California $21,300

    Illinois 17,000

    New Jersey 10,500

    Texas 10,000

    New York 8,200

    Connecticut 3,800

    Minnesota 3,800

    North Carolina 3,000

    Ohio 3,000

    Florida (tie) 2,500

    Oregon (tie) 2500

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects


    You just have to look at your maps to see that many of the worst-off states are right to work states.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    exit polls, talks of violence, your desperation is apparent.
    Perhaps you do not know about exit polls and how they are utilized by professionals in the business?

    As for talk of violence, perhaps you came in late to the discussion and do nto realize that I was replying at first to someone from your right end of the spectrum who was pontificating - in their usual style - about hoping that people turned to violence.

    I have nothing to be desperate about. Life is going very very well right now.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Will you go on record as being 100% against rioting plain and simple. It is the inclusion of the word sensless that seems to imply that you would be for rioting is you in certain instances.
    Sure. I see no good coming out of rioting.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I dont think this means much for november. Exit polls so that obama will still win wisconsin in november. 17% of walker voters say they will vote for obama.
    And now for the rest of the story

    Exit poll: Wisconsin in play in November - Politics and Public Opinion - AEI

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You just have to look at your maps to see that many of the worst-off states are right to work states.
    Here are, according to the info he posted, the worst states (by far). There is a large drop off to get to the next level. Only one of the five worst are right to work.
    California $21,300
    Illinois 17,000
    New Jersey 10,500
    Texas 10,000
    New York 8,200

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    That is fail article that ignores all the facts from the exit poll. It fails as much as you do here on a daily basis.
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