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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Look, you are going to believe whatever you want to believe or what someone else will pay you to believe
    No, I'm just going to believe what's true. And you can't get an idea of union state versus non-union state fiscal situations by just looking at union states. It's pretty basic stuff.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I disagree. They need to represent constituents, but they shouldn't try to put a roadblock on legislation by leaving the state and thus legally closing down the state legislature. It prevents the state from getting work done. Fleeing the state to block a vote was very cowardly in my opinion and juvenile. All representation being equal, they are blocking the representatives of others from representing their constituents instead of representing theirs with a no vote. They didn't get what they wanted, so they tried to halt the democratic process in an attempt to overrule the majority and prevent representation of the majority from being legally passed/voted on.
    Isn't a filibuster largely the same though? One side, or even one Senator prevents a vote from taking place. I don't know if that was or wasn't allowed in WI, but all it does is accomplish the same purpose.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    No, I'm just going to believe what's true. And you can't get an idea of union state versus non-union state fiscal situations by just looking at union states. It's pretty basic stuff.
    Right to work states have better economic conditions than states where union membership is required as terms of employment. That is reality. What I posted is the projected problems with union pension funds and those public unions are funded by the taxpayers and therein lies the problem and why public unions have no place in this country.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.
    And who's fault is that? Those tight wad unions didn't want to support their guy....

    All the liberals seems to squawk about this morning is how Walker bought the election. Awww... I didn't see that complaint in 2008 when Obama (according to the liberals today) bought the election. If it's that simple, squeeze more money from your donors.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Isn't a filibuster largely the same though? One side, or even one Senator prevents a vote from taking place. I don't know if that was or wasn't allowed in WI, but all it does is accomplish the same purpose.
    It's exactly the same thing. It was a way for the Democrats to keep from getting steamrolled -- if temporarily.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    And who's fault is that? Those tight wad unions didn't want to support their guy....

    All the liberals seems to squawk about this morning is how Walker bought the election. Awww... I didn't see that complaint in 2008 when Obama (according to the liberals today) bought the election. If it's that simple, squeeze more money from your donors.
    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
    They should raise their dues.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
    Good, public unions getting their money from the taxpayers has no business spending that money to take more from the taxpayers.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would place the blame on the Supreme Court for issuing an idiotic decision. The unions simply don't have enough money to go toe-to-toe with corporate America.
    I would place the blame on democrats that thought a recall election was a smart move so soon after the voters voted.

    they came off looking horribly in this entire thing. V've been saying it for the last year as I am in Wisconsin often, but even democrats were largely opposed to this recall. You don't play these types of political games because you lost, but they forgot this fact.

    Get away from Madison and Milwaukee and the writing was on the wall big time.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Right to work states have better economic conditions than states where union membership is required as terms of employment. That is reality.
    If that's just a reality then it should be easy to prove. And yet....

    In fact, right to work states are among the worst in terms of fiscal health. See South Carolina, Arizona, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc., etc.
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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