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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I actually support the Senators leaving the state. Their job is to represent their constituents, and the best way to represent them at that point was to prevent a vote in which they would just get steamrolled on the way to "progress." Assuming that a filibuster wasn't an option (I don't know the rules of the Wisconsin Senate), that was the only avenue open to them. If it was the US Senate, they probably would hav filibustered to the same effect.

    What was comical was when Walker sent the State Police to their houses. Did they commit a crime? Not last I checked. You could make the argument that they weren't doing their jobs, but in that case they work for the voters, not the Governor.
    I disagree. They need to represent constituents, but they shouldn't try to put a roadblock on legislation by leaving the state and thus legally closing down the state legislature. It prevents the state from getting work done. Fleeing the state to block a vote was very cowardly in my opinion and juvenile. All representation being equal, they are blocking the representatives of others from representing their constituents instead of representing theirs with a no vote. They didn't get what they wanted, so they tried to halt the democratic process in an attempt to overrule the majority and prevent representation of the majority from being legally passed/voted on.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    They don't trash the capitol
    So you're suggesting they never make excuses or blame others for their loses and then they always take responsibility for their defeat?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree. They need to represent constituents, but they shouldn't try to put a roadblock on legislation by leaving the state and thus legally closing down the state legislature. It prevents the state from getting work done. Fleeing the state to block a vote was very cowardly in my opinion and juvenile. All representation being equal, they are blocking the representatives of others from representing their constituents instead of representing theirs with a no vote. They didn't get what they wanted, so they tried to halt the democratic process in an attempt to overrule the majority and prevent representation of the majority from being legally passed/voted on.
    I certainly agree that both sides, at every level of government need to sit down and do the work. This will require hard stands at times, but also compromise. In fact, I would like to see more compromise. Much more.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    So was he going to win in the absence of money -- or was it the money that got him the win? I think that question has not been answered.
    We can only speculate. All we know for sure is that Democrats chose not to invest huge sums. Maybe it was because they figured it was a losing cause. Maybe they thought that, even if they won, it wasn't worth the cost. Maybe they thought they would get more bang for their buck in other races.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    ........... If you're going to have unlimited corporate spending, you have to have unlimited union spending. You can't say one group is allowed to have free speech, but not others. ........
    Frankly, the logic is correct, except you have it backwards. Prior to Citizen's United, there were no limits on what Unions could spend. Or media organizations. They were exempted. Citizens United merely extended the same rules to all.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In your defense, the day after isn't the best way to judge folks, either side of the aisle. No doubt. We all hate licking our wounds out in the open.

    But this is different in that it was an election that Democrats called and went fundamentally all-in. So the excuses run rather flat. If the money difference is as dramatic as claimed, doesn't that tell you something? People, in general, REALLY backed what Walker did with the public union, even many union members and Democrats.
    That really wasn't where I was going. I wanted to hear what it is that conservatives do when they lose. In other words, enlighten me as to why or how their reactions are different? And of course show us all why conservatives apparently always take the high road. Unless I missed something, that was inferred.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We can only speculate. All we know for sure is that Democrats chose not to invest huge sums. Maybe it was because they figured it was a losing cause. Maybe they thought that, even if they won, it wasn't worth the cost. Maybe they thought they would get more bang for their buck in other races.
    Regardless. Money buys publicity. The anti-Walker publicity, rendered for free by the main-stream media for 18 months, dwarfs anything pro-Walker that was paid for. Just as it was Obama-McCain. Same media bias dynamic.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's not responsive to my comment. Compare the union states to non-union states and then we'll have something to talk about.
    Look, you are going to believe whatever you want to believe or what someone else will pay you to believe. As an "independent" contractor I wonder what it is that you contract doing, apparently political trolling. Fact is FDR was right in being against public unions and the fact is unions have spent millions and millions of dollars over the past 16 months to kick Walker out of office and lost but you only count the money reportedly spent on this election ignoring that which hasn't been reported or all the money leading up to the recall election. You see, you ignore results and always will yet never claiming one way or another whether you are supporting Obama in the fall.

    What liberals will do is accept what they want to accept i.e. the exit polls that claim Obama will win Wisconsin in the Fall but ignoring the failure of the exit polls to actually predict the outcome of the election when CNN stated that the exit polls showed the election too close to call. Which exit poll was accurate? Hmmm, guess it is the one liberals want to believe

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    So you're suggesting they never make excuses or blame others for their loses and then they always take responsibility for their defeat?
    Trashing the capitol was a liberal tantrum that has gone on for 16 months. Unions lost big yesterday and will lose big in other states as well as nationally this fall.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Frankly, the logic is correct, except you have it backwards. Prior to Citizen's United, there were no limits on what Unions could spend. Or media organizations. They were exempted. Citizens United merely extended the same rules to all.
    Incorrect. Before CU unions could not reach out to non-members using union dues.
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