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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    “So far, the tens of millions of dollars that have been spent on ads don’t seem to have moved the needle very much,” McCabe said. “Poll numbers haven’t changed much. Walker’s approval ratings haven’t changed. So the tens of millions spent don’t seem to have changed very many minds.
    “I don’t think the ads are as effective in this election as they normally are. I actually think a lot of this money will be wasted. I think the election will really come down to who gets out the vote, I think it really will be decided by a ground gain, not the air wars.”
    Democrats and Republicans in the state are likely to agree with that assessment. Officials for both state parties maintain that the election will be driven by turnout, and both parties claim large ground operations."

    So...the unions mounted this incessant charge to stop the Governor...its been going on for years. Apparently 58% of the state are tired of it and would like to see the government get back to governing again. You know...silly stuff like working on the budget, employment, etc...

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    If you look at states across the country, there is virtually no correlation between unionization and fiscal problems.
    LOL, another liberal in denial. Right, no problem at all

    Union Pension Liabilities Soar to $369 Billion | The Weekly Standard

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Were they? How much advertising and publicity did they get over the last year and a half? Put a dollar figure to the union protests...go ahead. lets do some real math. the fact is the democrats and unions have been banging this drum for a year and a half. You know what? Maybe the voters of Wisconsin are just smarter than you think they are.
    Yes, Democrats were outspent 8:1. No getting around it.

    And of course I never claimed the people of Wisconsin were stupid.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, another liberal in denial. Right, no problem at all

    Union Pension Liabilities Soar to $369 Billion | The Weekly Standard
    That's not responsive to my comment. Compare the union states to non-union states and then we'll have something to talk about.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Why didn't the DNC or other outside Democratic groups pour money into the state? They have the cash, and were perfectly able.
    Beats me. I guess they figured the money was better spent elsewhere, as it appeared that Walker was going to win.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, all those previous recall elections weren't costly to the state? Liberal temper tantrums on full display. Liberals lost, get over it and it wasn't due to the lack of funding, it was rather a lack of support for their failures in policies
    How much did it cost California to recall Gray Davis and replace him with Ahhh-nold? Paint it any way you want, but that was taking out a Democrat and replacing him with a Republican.

    If you're going to have unlimited corporate spending, you have to have unlimited union spending. You can't say one group is allowed to have free speech, but not others.

    I don't expect you to understand this because in your head Democrat=evil and wrong and Republican = all that is good in the world.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Beats me. I guess they figured the money was better spent elsewhere, as it appeared that Walker was going to win.
    So was he going to win in the absence of money -- or was it the money that got him the win? I think that question has not been answered.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Were they? How much advertising and publicity did they get over the last year and a half? Put a dollar figure to the union protests...go ahead. lets do some real math. the fact is the democrats and unions have been banging this drum for a year and a half. You know what? Maybe the voters of Wisconsin are just smarter than you think they are.
    So what, just put a dollar figure on all protests? I wonder how much in todays dollars MLK's "I have a dream" speech was worth to the pro-civil rights side? How much in publicity was the TPers disrupting Town Hall meetings across the country worth?

    It's ridiculous to go down this road.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what, just put a dollar figure on all protests? I wonder how much in todays dollars MLK's "I have a dream" speech was worth to the pro-civil rights side? How much in publicity was the TPers disrupting Town Hall meetings across the country worth?

    It's ridiculous to go down this road.
    How many city/state resources were used on the OWSers?
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Why didn't the DNC or other outside Democratic groups pour money into the state? They have the cash, and were perfectly able.

    And let's not get off subject and pretend that corporations only fuel money into the Republican side. That is patently false.




    Perhaps, but still a blow to the state party. They spent a ton of money collecting signatures, campaigning, getting organized. If nothing else, it probably leaves some faction of Democrats in Wisconsin upset with the national Democratic Party for essentially refusing to get involved. I think you will an impact in that regard down the road.
    the unions suffered the biggest blow. they couldn't even get their hand picked women to win the primary, showing exactly where the voters of the state stood on Walkers public union stance.

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