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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    So what?
    So ... it rather speaks for itself. Republicans have made no secret that they are going after unions, at least in part, to take away money from Democratic candidates. Walker's anti-union measure was a huge success in that respect, leaving the Republicans with a significant fundraising advantage due in large part to corporate donations. Another successful Republican ploy slap down working people and raise up the 1%. The only question is, why does anyone in the 99% support them?

    I don't think it was really all that expected.
    Well, Walker was ahead in every single poll for months, so yeah, it was clearly expected.

    The Senate will not be in session again until after the November elections -- in which 16 of the 33 seats are up for grabs -- so who really cares?
    Fair point.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Yeah, that is completely irrelevant.
    Exactly, unions can spend whatever they want on whatever they support and it is irrelevant.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
    Texas does it the same way.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Exactly, unions can spend whatever they want on whatever they support and it is irrelevant.
    It might be relevant if we were comparing protest spending, but we aren't.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

    So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

    It was the expected result.

    On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat.
    Were they? How much advertising and publicity did they get over the last year and a half? Put a dollar figure to the union protests...go ahead. lets do some real math. the fact is the democrats and unions have been banging this drum for a year and a half. You know what? Maybe the voters of Wisconsin are just smarter than you think they are.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
    I think its just something about the state that attracts the corrupt. I live in illinois too and i have no idea how they can raise property taxes when they property values are going down.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Calling this "anti-worker?" Is that the latest FAX you received for talking points? This isn't about anti-worker. Hell, the worker's cast the votes, for God's sake. Come up with another talking point, Boo. That one sucks wind.
    I don't get those. Sorry. I just call it as I see it. And as I noted earlier, workers casting votes against their interests doesn't make it not against their interests. There is no way around the fact that this has been and continues to be an anti-worker effort.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Texas does it the same way.
    If you look at states across the country, there is virtually no correlation between unionization and fiscal problems.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    It might be relevant if we were comparing protest spending, but we aren't.
    Right, all those previous recall elections weren't costly to the state? Liberal temper tantrums on full display. Liberals lost, get over it and it wasn't due to the lack of funding, it was rather a lack of support for their failures in policies

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So ... it rather speaks for itself. Republicans have made no secret that they are going after unions, at least in part, to take away money from Democratic candidates. Walker's anti-union measure was a huge success in that respect, leaving the Republicans with a significant fundraising advantage due in large part to corporate donations. Another successful Republican ploy slap down working people and raise up the 1%. The only question is, why does anyone in the 99% support them?
    Why didn't the DNC or other outside Democratic groups pour money into the state? They have the cash, and were perfectly able.

    And let's not get off subject and pretend that corporations only fuel money into the Republican side. That is patently false.


    Well, Walker was ahead in every single poll for months, so yeah, it was clearly expected.
    Perhaps, but still a blow to the state party. They spent a ton of money collecting signatures, campaigning, getting organized. If nothing else, it probably leaves some faction of Democrats in Wisconsin upset with the national Democratic Party for essentially refusing to get involved. I think you will an impact in that regard down the road.

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