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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its just more than a little bit pathetic that they claim they have been 'outspent' and that is why they lost when they have been on the news, in demonstrations, had CNN and MSNBC chumming for them for a year and a half, had union paid protests, school teacher coordinated mass protests...ad nauseum. Wisconsin has been barraged by recall after recall and they wonder why their state is divided. Hey...use whatever tactics you want...but I hope the voters remember what their 'representatives' have done over the last two years.
    Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

    So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

    It was the expected result.

    On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I hope you aren't applying this to all Dems. But I do expect this behavior from the grown up children that pushed for his recall and supported cowardly state reps fleeing the state to try and block a vote. Hopefully rational people will learn from this on both sides and just ignore them. They lost, and they can cry harder.
    I actually support the Senators leaving the state. Their job is to represent their constituents, and the best way to represent them at that point was to prevent a vote in which they would just get steamrolled on the way to "progress." Assuming that a filibuster wasn't an option (I don't know the rules of the Wisconsin Senate), that was the only avenue open to them. If it was the US Senate, they probably would hav filibustered to the same effect.

    What was comical was when Walker sent the State Police to their houses. Did they commit a crime? Not last I checked. You could make the argument that they weren't doing their jobs, but in that case they work for the voters, not the Governor.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    I dont think this means much for november. Exit polls so that obama will still win wisconsin in november. 17% of walker voters say they will vote for obama.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

    Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.
    So what?

    So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

    It was the expected result.
    I don't think it was really all that expected. Democrats have been a force in Wisconsin for years, and regardless of spending, this is a blow to their state party.

    On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat.
    The Senate will not be in session again until after the November elections -- in which 16 of the 33 seats are up for grabs -- so who really cares?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

    Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?
    Wonder how this factors into the liberal argument? Oh, wait, it doesn't

    Capitol protests cost state millions in damage, security

    Then of course there was the first recall cost then the cost of securing all those recall numbers to get this election, then the cost of running the election, the revenue generated by union fund raisers as well as the unknown union expentitures. Of course those don't matter.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Paul Begala on CNN bitching about Super-PAC money spent in WI was hilarious.

    Begala now runs a Democrat Super-PAC himself, right?
    So what? Just because someone is against Super PACs (assuming he is) doesn't mean that he should sit on his hands and allow the other side to wildly outspend his party while they take adavantage of the law.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Wonder how this factors into the liberal argument? Oh, wait, it doesn't.
    Yeah, that is completely irrelevant.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Try as you might to play it down, the Dems were apparently outspent 8:1.

    So what can we conclude from all this? The only thing we can say for sure is that more than half the people who voted weren't overwhelmingly motivated by a dislike for Walker's anti-union measures.

    It was the expected result.

    On the plus side, for Democrats, is that they won a less publicized recall that switched the Senate majority from Republican to Democrat.
    Unions have a lot riding on Walker recall | Wisconsin - WISN Home

    Unions spent nearly $30 million turning out votes to repeal the Ohio measure and more than $12 million on the Wisconsin state Senate recall effort.


    Read more: Unions have a lot riding on Walker recall | Wisconsin - WISN Home
    $30 Million Pouring In to Influence Wisconsin Recall Elections - ABC News
    Neil Sroka, press secretary of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, says they have joined up with another liberal activist group, Democracy for America, to spend $2 million in the state -- $1.5 million on television ads and $500,000 on grassroots work.
    If anyone has a clear picture on the total Dems spent in Wisconsin let me know. Im not finding enough information to form a solid idea. But Im pretty skeptical it was over $400million.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
    And unions alone are responsible for this?

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