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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In your defense, the day after isn't the best way to judge folks, either side of the aisle. No doubt. We all hate licking our wounds out in the open.

    But this is different in that it was an election that Democrats called and went fundamentally all-in. So the excuses run rather flat. If the money difference is as dramatic as claimed, doesn't that tell you something? People, in general, REALLY backed what Walker did with the public union, even many union members and Democrats.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Who was the largest single contributor to the Walker campaign? How much of the money was reported? How much more was spent on media adds than Barrett's campaign? We both know the answers, don't we? And we both know you are blowing smoke.










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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    What's the running tally on congress voting to support any of the three budgets Obama has sent in? Oh yeah that's right, NOT a single vote for..


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    We aren't talking about Congress, Tim. Read the OP.










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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That's an opinion, your opinion. It may be factual, but you have given me know reason to believe it. You cannot justify anything you've said.
    Well, I know what I have seen, read, and heard since Walker's recall first became an issue. Whether there is a survey out there, as they did with Obama - McCain, showing the same partisan media lopsidedness, I do not know.

    This day after whine by the Dems suggesting it was only because of the money is pretty phoney. Democrat candidates in the US receive an enormous benefit of media bias, worth just as much as all actual monies raised IMMHO, if not more, at every level.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    If you pander to the same few sources to get that money... yes. This means that money rules our politics and those with the money will make the rules. They don't throw that kind of money without expecting some kind of return on their investment. And as both parties contitnue to feed from that same money trough, expect them to keep merging in policies and pretending to be different by bandying about pointless and ridiculous social divisions as a fake cover to hide their merging fiscal similarities.

    It's been happening for years and thanks to citizens united, it's heading there even faster now. It's why republicans talk fiscally during elecitons then spend all their time fronting abortion bills when they get in office. Abortion is the noisy cover for what they really want to do fiscally. And time has shown that shrinking government isn't one of them.
    You really need to stop buying what you are told by the media and for someone who claims they aren't voting for Obama you spend so much time defending liberal causes and actions that you never tell the entire story. What you and others ignore is how much unions threw at defeating Walker, money that doesn't have to be disclosed but regardless, here are the lessons that have to be learned in Wisconsin, lessons that liberals seem to never learn.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    I don't really see the liberals point here. First off, I doubt their numbers are correct, because I have seen different numbers and there are independent organizations. It sounds really dumb to spend that much on a recall election, and then spend nothing campaigning.

    But if it is true, Democrats should be worried about Nov 2012, because if they can not raise more than 4 million in Wisconsin, then how can they raise a billion in the US. They are going to get massively outspent.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by ZIRP4EVA View Post
    Bush lost Wisconsin in 2000 by 4k votes and in 2004 by 11k votes. Extremely thin margins.

    After last nights results, one could make the argument that Obama may be in deep, deep doodoo there. But, at the very least, his campaign is going to have to spend a lot more money in states like Wisconsin than they had planned. And with his fundraising well behind his 2008 pace, that could present some significant problems.
    Except the exit polls of yesterdays Wisconsin voters showed Obama over Romney by seven points.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Well, I know what I have seen, read, and heard since Walker's recall first became an issue. Whether there is a survey out there, as they did with Obama - McCain, showing the same partisan media lopsidedness, I do not know.

    This day after whine by the Dems suggesting it was only because of the money is pretty phoney. Democrat candidates in the US receive an enormous benefit of media bias, worth just as much as all actual monies raised IMMHO, if not more, at every level.
    What liberals will continue to ignore are the millions and millions of union dollars spent on the recall of the State Legislators, the escape from the state, and then the recall election held yesterday. Then as has been pointed out the media bias is worth a lot of money to liberals as well but that fact is ignored as well. Instead of focusing on the issues you divert to spending without even being fair in your discussion.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Except the exit polls of yesterdays Wisconsin voters showed Obama over Romney by seven points.
    Carry that through until November. The polls yesterday showed a closer election that actually happened as well but of course you choose to believe that Obama support number? What a surprise. Results matter and Obama will suffer the same fate as the unions in Wisconsin because of the Obama results. We have a lot of problems in this country, so how many fund raisers does Obama have for today?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Except the exit polls of yesterdays Wisconsin voters showed Obama over Romney by seven points.

    exit polls, talks of violence, your desperation is apparent.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    I'm mainly just glad that these tantruming Democrats didn't get their way. They wasted money and in the end they lost. Walker won and they can just cry harder
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