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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

poweRob said:
I kind of find it not believable.
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Sharon..> Is that you? It must be. You're posting links to things that have nothing to do with what I indicated. The link you provided is only discussing money raised by the candidates themselves. I've already indicated, Walker outraised the democrats and you provided a link to confirm it. Thank you for that, I guess.
 
X Factor said:
If both sides were equally free to send money to the candidate they'd like to see win, how is this an unlevel playing field? All that should be guaranteed is equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
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LOL...

That statement has the misleading premise that everyone has the same amount to donate therefore donating is a level playing field.

Naivete' at it's finest.
 
LOL, okay Libbo losers, we all see that the talking point memo went out, and this is to be blamed on evil MONEY (since the ass-kicking was so one-sided, the election fraud card wouldn't work).

So what is your explanation for the abandonment of your beloved union, which shrunk to less than half its size since the recall was put forth?

I'll wait.
 
poweRob said:
bottom line is they can't win on a level playing field and they know it. Which is why they support Citizens United, voter role purges, Tom Delay styled redistricting and on and on and on.

I've seen crappy Dem styled redistricting for the same reasons but the collection of these facts I listed above shows that they know that their message fails when delivered on a level playing field.
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LOL. So voter roll purges, or more acurately, limitting the voters to actual living citizens that are current residents of the state/district, help only the GOP? Hmm... Public employee labor unions are "fair" when they support candidates with tax money taken by force of law from all public employees (in non right to work states), yet corporations that are regulated and taxed by the state should have no ability to support any particular candidate, as that is "unfair".
 
Fishstyx said:
From my post:



I never said anything you claim. I said there were other factors that I think contributed a hell of lot more than the money did.
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All the things you claim were better... money wasn't a factor in?
 
Obama didn't bother to support him much, and he was right next door.

No amount of money gives anyone more than 1 vote.
 
Wisconsin is a pretty good gauge of the country in actuality. About the same mix nationally as liberals, conservatives and independants. Clearly the fiscal message is embraced, and results matter. Walker produced results in just two year into his administration. His message was tough to hear for most on the left, especially the unions, but one cannot argue with results, and Wisconsin residents weren't buying the tired old rhetoric about grandma and pappy losing services, or that fire police, and teachers would not be able to do their jobs effectively.. Class warfare did not work in WS, and it won't work nationally either. No war on women, no war on the poor, it just sound fiscal policy that produced results almost instantly.

Romney will point to the success of Walkers policies, and say look America, if it's good for WS, then it'll be good for the country. Obama will say it's Bush's fault, and he needs more time, but it won't wash, and the shere margin of victory in WS should scare the hell out of Obama and Co.

There really is hope that comes along with real change! Too bad it wasn't the change that the liberals had envisioned.

Tim-
 
ttwtt78640 said:
LOL. So voter roll purges, or more acurately, limitting the voters to actual living citizens that are current residents of the state/district, help only the GOP? Hmm... Public employee labor unions are "fair" when they support candidates with tax money taken by force of law from all public employees (in non right to work states), yet corporations that are regulated and taxed by the state should have no ability to support any particular candidate, as that is "unfair".
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Republican voter roll purges have proven to boot off loads of legal voters. You've just bought the bull**** hook, line and sinker statement of dead people and illegal aliens.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Source? And speaking of source. You still haven't responded to the data in the source I link. Are you avoiding a response? Why?
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Notice that you didn't respond to the statement about the amount of money Liberals have wasted on the recalls, both of them plus the cost of fleeing the state as well as cleaning up the capitol from the liberal temper tantrum.

The source for results come from the BLS as well as state finances. Maybe you ought to pay closer attention to what is actually going on in Wisconsin and stop buying the liberal spin
 
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Dont worry liberals!!! This truck is headed to Wisconsin!
 
poweRob said:
All the things you claim were better... money wasn't a factor in?
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Your side sent thousands of union members in to cities they couldn't pronounce to vote on same-day registration. And it's Obama that holds a warchest of campaign funds that would stun a mastadon.

No, sometimes you're just wrong, and you lose an election. This was that simple. Most people understand how hypocritical it is to take a salary based solely on taxpayer money, then unionize against the taxpayers with that money.

This falls under the category of "duh".
 
Erod said:
LOL, okay Libbo losers, we all see that the talking point memo went out, and this is to be blamed on evil MONEY (since the ass-kicking was so one-sided, the election fraud card wouldn't work).

So what is your explanation for the abandonment of your beloved union, which shrunk to less than half its size since the recall was put forth?

I'll wait.
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What's your point? Can you provide data to support your assertions?
 
Hicup said:
Wisconsin is a pretty good gauge of the country in actuality. About the same mix nationally as liberals, conservatives and independants. Clearly the fiscal message is embraced, and results matter.
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rrriiigggghht...

Then why are the Wisconsin exit polls from this election show this "good guage" of people embracing Obama being that they have very differing fiscal messages?
 
poweRob said:
LOL...

That statement has the misleading premise that everyone has the same amount to donate therefore donating is a level playing field.

Naivete' at it's finest.
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No, what's naive is to steadfastly believe that the voters of Wisconsin just didn't know what they were doing rather than acccept any possibility that unions have lost some of their influence.
 
Conservative said:
People are going to vote based upon results generated. Walker has generated positive results.
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Well, I was addressing why Obama didn't go there, but....

Walker's results are mixed. He got some things done, but the price was a very divided Wisconsin. Cons love to talk about how Obama divides people, and that's EXACTLY what Walker did. He said in his celebration remarks that "Now is the time to come together." I literally LOLed in the car. Yeah, NOW is the time. Now that he won. :lamo
 
Erod said:
Your side sent thousands of union members in to cities they couldn't pronounce to vote on same-day registration. And it's Obama that holds a warchest of campaign funds that would stun a mastadon.

No, sometimes you're just wrong, and you lose an election. This was that simple. Most people understand how hypocritical it is to take a salary based solely on taxpayer money, then unionize against the taxpayers with that money.

This falls under the category of "duh".
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Actually the comedy is that Walker won... and every right-winger in here is declaring that they know why and that outspending someone 7.5 to 1 has no bearing on the election WHATSOEVER! lol
 
poweRob said:
rrriiigggghht...

Then why are the Wisconsin exit polls from this election show this "good guage" of people embracing Obama being that they have very differing fiscal messages?
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All the "polls" showed a tight margin as well? So much for polling as a science. :)

Look, the results are what they are, and Obama shouldn't be relying on ANY polls that show him ahead in WS if I were him.


Tim-
 
X Factor said:
No, what's naive is to steadfastly believe that the voters of Wisconsin just didn't know what they were doing rather than acccept any possibility that unions have lost some of their influence.
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Never said anything about the voters knowing or not knowing. And I know that unions have lost some of their influence. Do you have a clue as to what you are saying? Because you are tripping all over your own strawmen all through this thread.
 
Hicup said:
All the "polls" showed a tight margin as well? So much for polling as a science. :)

Look, the results are what they are, and Obama shouldn't be relying on ANY polls that show him ahead in WS if I were him.


Tim-
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Exit polls had it right there at where the election ended soooo...
 
poweRob said:
All the things you claim were better... money wasn't a factor in?
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Sure, but the bulk of the cash was spent on ads. Bottom line, thats where the bulk of campaign cash goes. In this case, the ads accomplished very little. If the polls over the last year are any indication.
 
poweRob said:
rrriiigggghht...

Then why are the Wisconsin exit polls from this election show this "good guage" of people embracing Obama being that they have very differing fiscal messages?
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If I were to buy into your belief, then it must be money. Obama has so far spent more then Romney. Include all of the "free" campaign trips and policy advertisements he can take and disguise as official business and the number increases even more.
 
Conservative said:
Notice that you didn't respond to the statement about the amount of money Liberals have wasted on the recalls, both of them plus the cost of fleeing the state as well as cleaning up the capitol from the liberal temper tantrum.

The source for results come from the BLS as well as state finances. Maybe you ought to pay closer attention to what is actually going on in Wisconsin and stop buying the liberal spin
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When you provide sources and data I will respond. You haven't done that thus far. What I am hearing from you is partisan gibberish. There's nothing to respond to and you are playing silly games. If you are going to make statements, back them the **** up if you want people to understand your perspective. Otherwise it's mindless pap and drivel. I made statements, I provided a source with data. You are obviously not able to counter the argument with facts.
 
poweRob said:
Actually the comedy is that Walker won... and every right-winger in here is declaring that they know why and that outspending someone 7.5 to 1 has no bearing on the election WHATSOEVER! lol
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Considering how much it matched the last election, and the success of recalls historicall.... yeah. It had no bearing whatsoever.

Oh, forgot. LOL.
 
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