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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    IMO, this was an impressive win by Governor Walker. Backed by an improving employment and fiscal situation in Wisconsin, Walker prevailed. He likely prevailed by at least 9-12 points, which was greater than what any of the polling had suggested.

    As is typically the case, economics was likely far more important than other factors in shaping the outcome. The exit polling showed a slim 50%-48% margin in favor of the collective bargaining changes. However, Governor Walker won by a much more comfortable margin. This highlights the roll other factors (very likely economic ones) played. Detailed exit polling data, if it is available, will provide much more insight.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Obama and the DNC stayed out of this election as far as I know. Bill Clinton went there and made a speech, and that's as far as the establishment went in getting involved. Obama will be judged on Obamacare, not this election.
    Scott Walker was judged on his performance and results so will Obama who cannot run on his record. Results won tonight and will be the factor that determines the November election.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'll cede that to you.
    Ok, you have my respect... and I have ceded in the past too. I think it takes a good person to cede instead of turning into a major asshole or something. :

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, this was an impressive win by Governor Walker. Backed by an improving employment and fiscal situation in Wisconsin, Walker prevailed. He likely prevailed by at least 9-12 points, which was greater than what any of the polling had suggested.

    As is typically the case, economics was likely far more important than other factors in shaping the outcome. The exit polling showed a slim 50%-48% margin in favor of the collective bargaining changes. However, Governor Walker won by a much more comfortable margin. This highlights the roll other factors (very likely economic ones) played. Detailed exit polling data, if it is available, will provide much more insight.
    Don, I will not forget your initial post on this topic many months ago. You called Walker's actions a "scorched earth" policy. I agree with you. And, frankly? I'm surprised he held up. But. I'm grateful.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Obama and the DNC stayed out of this election as far as I know. Bill Clinton went there and made a speech, and that's as far as the establishment went in getting involved. Obama will be judged on Obamacare, not this election.
    I disagree. This is a state President Obama carried in '08. Now, they have gone with a guy who is the polar opposite of him as governor. I think Romney will use this as a talking point for a while, conservatives will trumpet this all across the country, and I believe it will inspire another governor to do the same thing at some point. It's not so much that it will be a big deal in November. It just starts the unraveling which will continue if Obamacare is struck down (even if its just the mandate), Fast and Furious comes to more of a head, and gives the House ground to stand on when the new budget ceiling fight starts around the same time as the election.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Darroll View Post
    Why didn’t the Unions work with Walker to balance the budget?
    Now they cut their own throats.
    My guess? Because he has an R at the end of his name, rather than a D.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Good for the civic participation for the people of Wisconsin, and a nice side benefit of making Wisconsin a trouble spot for the Democrats come November. Other than that, I won't be cheering. The people of Wisconsin have a dog in the fight. I do not.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unions are not being gutted by this mandate. Public unions are being curtailed. Democrats will have to find a new way to buy their way into office. I hope this spreads like herpes.
    But they GOP will still be buying their way into office with corporate welfare and subsidiaries... not fair. Maybe this is more about destroying the other party than empowering the tax payers as some suggest.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Not anti-worker at all. Just anti Union.
    Eh, I don't see much of a difference. Unions represent workers' interests. If you don't support the entity that represents workers' interests in order to balance the interests of their bosses which sometimes/often conflict with workers' interests, then I can't see how you would be pro-worker.

    The fact is that unions, when their members ensure quality leadership, make sure that workers don't get treated like crap, that they have their concerns heard and that they get the quality environment they need to work well. If you're against that, I can't see how you would be pro-worker.

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