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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would you intentionally engage in the deceitful intellectual fraud of leaving off what I said next?
    Because my comment was directly responding to your attempt to disguise the obvious post you made by putting a pathetic plea of "peace" at the end. My point was that one little transparent line at the end doesn't hide the reality of the majority of your post.

    Not difficult to figure out, it's pretty simple. Anyone that read your post would understand that I was responding to the last part but quoting the portion that my comment directly referenced.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm going to go sit on my porch and enjoy this fine cigar and scotch, what a great great night!
    I wonder if you live in the right area you will hear shrieks, pistol shots and see people jumping off their roofs. Given the hysteria of some of the union parrots on this board, one would expect another Jim Jones type mass cyanide Koolaid party

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There are 53 people viewing this thread. I don't care how much Dems try to downplay this election. It's a big deal.
    The election is a big deal because in many peoples' eyes Walker winning means that politicians can stand up to the unions.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    I forgot how entertaining post-elections can be.

    The sore winners and sore losers come out in droves. Such fine sportsmanship and grace from both sides. Can't wait till November.


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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Who else but an idiot liberal hack would do that? I guess I should have said "idiot liberal hacks" instead of just liberals? I'm not looking for respect on a website. I could care less about that. I just don't believe I'm a hack, as a lot of people would attest to on here.
    You could represent yourself better, that's all I am saying

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In the end, this recall election was not about workers at all, but about how Barrett had no plan. Workers rights appealed to the left, and busting the unions appealed to the right, but this issue is not what independents were looking at. To win, getting your base to the voting booth is not enough. You have to win independents. Barrett failed to do that. Walker was able to do that. End of story.
    You may well be right about that, and most likely are. Which is as I said too bad because in the end it gives fire to the anti-worker efforts. It doesn't slow them down or give them pause.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The only problem I see with that graph is the assumption that Unions are the cause. I suspect there are more than a few elements at work there.
    Yes, this thread needs more facts and less assumptions

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Breaking news, so I don't have a link yet. WIll update once it posts.

    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...in-recall?lite
    I'm sure **** has already hit the fan in the parts of the thread I haven't visited, by I'll still throw in my 2 cents.

    I'm definitely disappointed because I'm big supporter of unions and collective bargaining. I think that Walker's actions are going to end up harming a lot of workers, particularly public workers. I don't know if he won because most Wisconsin voters truly agree with him or because Walker hugely outspent his opponent or for some other reason, but at this point, the reason doesn't matter.

    What does matter is that many conservatives and certain sections of the Democratic Party don't think workers ought to have a meaningful amount of bargaining power. They think that workers ought to just take what they are given by their bosses or leave and that unions are nothing more than vehicles for workers to squeeze out money from the public. But that's not the mentality that I want in my society. Although certain unions have abused their power, the solution is not to reduce collective bargaining power to a meaningless level, but to reform unions so that they do not become what they originally sought to fight against. Therefore, I'm just going to have to do what I can ensure that the society that I envision comes to fruition and that, in the future, people like Walker don't get the level of power that he has. It would be a shame if people like him gained more power throughout the country, but I doubt they will. They're usually on the wrong side of history.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I find your posts disturbing. I find your gross dishonesty disturbing. I find your ideology disturbing.
    The fact you find all those things disturbing makes me actually feel rather at ease....I must be thinking, doing, and saying something correct if it's disturbing to an individual like yourself saying the type of things you've stated in this thread.

    I do wonder where you get your cues of giving guidelines for how violence should happen yet dutifully giving it a glossy coat of protection over the top with a faux call for "peace", and whether those places you get that cue may have far more power than you to use such tactics to more unfortunate degrees than simply on a message board.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You may well be right about that, and most likely are. Which is as I said too bad because in the end it gives fire to the anti-worker efforts. It doesn't slow them down or give them pause.
    Calling this "anti-worker?" Is that the latest FAX you received for talking points? This isn't about anti-worker. Hell, the worker's cast the votes, for God's sake. Come up with another talking point, Boo. That one sucks wind.
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