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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Because I am not a jealous, petty, or narcissistic person.
    Feeling that you deserve more, and demanding more pay and benefits than someone who does the exact same job as you do, but doesn't work as hard, or is simply not as good of a worker as you, is not jealousy, pettiness or narcissism. Not in the least. It's called fairness.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

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    Union propaganda. Again.
    Adam correctly asks why is in propaganda. But I would ask is it true? And if it is true, what do you think it means?

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Because I am not a jealous, petty, or narcissistic person.
    So, you're saying women are jealous, petty and narcissistic people for being pissed off that they get paid less for the same job? That's very open minded...
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Feeling that you deserve more, and demanding more pay and benefits than someone who does the exact same job as you do, but doesn't work as hard, or is simply not as good of a worker as you, is not jealousy, pettiness or narcissism. Not in the least. It's called fairness.
    Run that theory by a psychologist and let us know what you get in reply.

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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, you're saying women are jealous, petty and narcissistic people for being pissed off that they get paid less for the same job? That's very open minded...
    Wow. That strawman is so big you probably need an oversize permit to carry him on the highway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Run that theory by a psychologist and let us know what you get in reply.
    So you think that a worker, who is not as good of a worker as others, but still gets the same or more pay and benefits as others who are better workers is fair? And you think a psychologist would tell me that I'm petty, narcissistic and jealous? And you're going on to others about straw men?
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In the sense that Maggie's strawman told her it was
    The poster did not provide a link. The only link I found with that information was put up by a "union site." Let's see it from the DOL.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    So you think that a worker, who is not as good of a worker as others, but still gets the same or more pay and benefits who are better workers is fair? And you think a psychologist would tell me that I'm petty, narcissistic and jealous?
    I think a psychologist would tell someone, like which you describe, that obsessing over others as related one one's personal situation is indicative of mental health maladjustment. If you will ask one, and report back to us, as I have already suggested in order to prove or disprove your theory, we'd all know for sure. So until/if you complete that task, what point is served by you asking the same question, what, three times now?

    Isn't that -- obsessive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I think a psychologist would tell someone, like which you describe, that obsessing over others as related one one's personal situation is indicative of mental health maladjustment. If you will ask one, and report back to us, as I have already suggested in order to prove or disprove your theory, we'd all know for sure. So until/if you complete that task, what point is served by you asking the same question, what, three times now?

    Isn't that -- obsessive?
    Who said anything about obsessing over anything? I believe those are your words, straw man.

    I ask you some things repeatedly, because you never have an answer repeatedly.
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    Re: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The poster did not provide a link. The only link I found with that information was put up by a "union site." Let's see it from the DOL.
    Since the poster did not provide a link, you cannot make one up for him and claim it to be factual. To do so is to misrepresent his post (strawman). While I agree that a link should have been provided, I'm sure it would have resulted in an ad homimen (which it did anyway; see below).

    In addition, you have committed an ad hominem, since even if the info came from a union site that alone does not mean it is incorrect.

    The credit for the graphic is as follows:

    Sources: Union membership rate is from Barry T. Hirsch, David A. Macpherson, and Wayne G. Vroman, "Estimates of Union Density by State," Monthly Labor Review, Vol. 124, No.7, July 2001. Middle-class share of aggregate income is from United States Census Bureau.

    New Census Data Show Middle Class Continues to Struggle


    The "Monthly Labor Review" is published by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. I am unsure if it, or the U.S. Census Bureau, is unionized and therefore, according to some, automatically categorized as a false source of information

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