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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

America is a badly divided nation. And as the Pew Research study yesterday revealed, it is because the GOP has moved to the far right over the last few decades. Do you really believe there will be no fallout from this radicalization of the Republican Party?
Democrats have moved to the left as well. As you can see here.
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Clinton was to the right of Obama, and a lot of liberals supported him at the time. Now, liberals think Obama is too far right, and will only support him because the alternative is worse.
 
As they are poised to gain control of the Senate, its a irrelevant question.

Directionless rioting is senseless and counter productive. If one were disposed to violence, direct targeting of those who financed this effort would make much more sense and achieve much better and chilling results encouraging other modern day robber barons to stay in the confines of their gated compound and keep their money out of it.

If one was disposed to violence.

But peace is the path.




Wow, your union scum friends had thier asses handed to them and you call for assassinations of the rich? Will you be pulling the trigger or expecting someone else to do your dirty work for you? :roll:
 
Stil dumbfounded that in an election supposedly all about government union workers, Obama didn't bother to swing by oncefrom his neighboring home state.

Well he did Tweet his support for Barrett.
 
This is a good thing. Not only because public sector unions are a concept borne of pure nutball leftist insanity and should be banned entirely, but because recalls shouldn't be done without cause.

Shame on that large minority of Wisconsinites, and if any of you are reading this, I am glad you fools had your asses handed to you.

This was needless. The only politicians that deserve recall or removal were the state senators who abandoned their job and fled out of state to hide.
 
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Well he did Tweet his support for Barrett.

Politics is about looking like a winner. Obama won WI in 2008, and wants that state in 2012 too. By backing a known loser, in a very partisan recall election, where 60% oppose recall elections, unless wrong doing in office occurs, and 9% oppose all recall elections, is not going to help Obama with winning that state. Had Barrett been up in the polls, and the recall election been popular as well, then Obama would have been there "loud and proud", endorsing Barrett.
 
Reading Democratic Underground after Scotts victory is funny. They are completely pissed. I guess many of them are overpaid public sector employees who will see their wages cut.

****. - Democratic Underground
Warning, foul language.

That link is full of some fantastic quotes. My favorite so far is "Sounds like the fix is in. No way..."
 
All the rich whiners that feel they shouldnt pay any taxs hate unions....private sector workers have allowed themselves to be raped by the rich and corporations...they have been and are being stripped of health benefits and pensions and their pays are stagnant all the while all the whiners have gotten fabulously richer. Union workers are the only working class americans making a decent wage and they HATE THAT...they also hate not having total control over them...they think they are "ENTITLED" to control everyone because they are rich.
The conservative scumbags are on a roll...but the roll will end...it always does, when the working class private sector finally wake up and realize all they told them was just another rich mans lie.

First in Bold. Last I recall it was the Dem's that did not want to pay taxes, does Timothy Franz Geithner come to mind?

Second in Bold. You can thank Obamacare for that

Third in Bold. You can thank Wisconsin that voted in Obama for that, after they voted in Obama they saw the error of their ways, and voted Republican

Last in Bold. And why is that, I'll tell you, because of Obama's failures.
 
Haymarket said:
Directionless rioting is senseless and counter productive. If one were disposed to violence, direct targeting of those who financed this effort would make much more sense and achieve much better and chilling results encouraging other modern day robber barons to stay in the confines of their gated compound and keep their money out of it.

If one was disposed to violence.

But peace is the path.

Indeed it is. And it is a wiser path, too.

Especially given that conservatives host an extremely disproportionate number of people who are already disposed to being very good at violence. For instance, conservatives have a much larger number of combat-arms veterans like myself who are trained in small demolitions, distance shooting, small unit tactics, urban maneuver; and who have put these skills to use testing them against Al-Qaeda and affiliated insurgent/terror networks in their own backyard. Something tells me it would be significantly easier for me, or anyone with my experience and training (which is not terribly extensive or unique) to track (say) the locations of the leadership of AFSMCE than it was to track AQI cell leadership. It wouldn't exactly be the first time we've snuck into a house at night while armed, or utilized good preparatory collection and rapid tactical interrogation to quickly tear apart entire networks. Unionista's who decided to turn to violence might find the mathematics of that decision turning rapidly against them.

But that, of course, could only possibly occur if the increased ideological divide (which is occurring from both sides) became violent. Which, fortunately, as you point out, it will not :).
 
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I am one of those "scumbag union activists" and I hope you feel like a big man for saying that Mr.Turtledude...

My job is to shed light and not to master

and as a famous coach I know once said

sux 2 be U
 
Wow, your union scum friends had thier asses handed to them and you call for assassinations of the rich? Will you be pulling the trigger or expecting someone else to do your dirty work for you? :roll:

Perhaps you missed the split decision last night in your fervor to attack unions and their members?

Yes, THE Republicans held onto the Governors office - one branch of the government. But it appears that Democrats gained in the State Senate and now are a majority. The day of total GOP control of state government and having their way at will is now over.

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.
 
Indeed it is. And it is a wiser path, too.

Especially given that conservatives host an extremely disproportionate number of people who are already disposed to being very good at violence. For instance, conservatives have a much larger number of combat-arms veterans like myself who are trained in small demolitions, distance shooting, small unit tactics, urban maneuver; and who have put these skills to use testing them against Al-Qaeda and affiliated insurgent/terror networks in their own backyard. Something tells me it would be significantly easier for me, or anyone with my experience and training (which is not terribly extensive or unique) to track (say) the locations of the leadership of AFSMCE than it was to track AQI cell leadership. It wouldn't exactly be the first time we've snuck into a house at night while armed, or utilized good preparatory collection and rapid tactical interrogation to quickly tear apart entire networks. Unionista's who decided to turn to violence might find the mathematics of that decision turning rapidly against them.

But that, of course, could only possibly occur if the increased ideological divide (which is occurring from both sides) became violent. Which, fortunately, as you point out, it will not :).

No doubt that in 1775 the exact same assessment of strengths could have been made regarding the colonies and the British army. No doubt the exact same assessment could have been made about the power of the US armed forces and the comparatively tiny Vietnamese insurgents in the early Sixties.

I wonder why both turned out so differently then expected by those kind of traditional evaluations?
 
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Perhaps you missed the split decision last night in your fervor to attack unions and their members?

Yes, THE Republicans held onto the Governors office - one branch of the government. But it appears that Democrats gained in the State Senate and now are a majority. The day of total GOP control of state government and having their way at will is now over.

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.
if democrats gained the senate, then walker is effectively neutered....good. i'm betting he will still be only a one term governor.
 
if democrats gained the senate, then walker is effectively neutered....good. i'm betting he will still be only a one term governor.

With all the votes in, they have about an 800 vote lead in the deciding district which would give them the majority in the State Senate.
 
Perhaps you missed the split decision last night in your fervor to attack unions and their members?

Yes, THE Republicans held onto the Governors office - one branch of the government. But it appears that Democrats gained in the State Senate and now are a majority. The day of total GOP control of state government and having their way at will is now over.

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.



:lol: sounds like loser talk to me, Weren't you one of the ones running around toutung how walker was toast? seems you and those union thugs you are so enamored with. Lost. So much so, you threaten violence....


though obviously an empty threat, still a threat none the less. :lol:
 
Even if they turn the Senate, I wouldn't worry too much. They have another election coming up. The only people on the ballot this time were recalls for republicans. I am suprised no one tried to put the democrats up after they refused to come to work or even enter the state for months during the union bargaining rights vote.
 
when the government is in financial trouble... all government employees will take a bite of the **** sandwich.

....which is better than having the taxpayers take 100% of the **** sandwich.

no good reason that government workers should be sheltered when nobody else is.

To your point Thrilla, it's only a "shared sacrifice" if it's one side or the others majority of sacrifice. In this case, Unions were being shielded and when the shield was lifted, Wisconsin had to endure the stupidity of feeble unions trying to flex no muscle and getting soundly trounced in the process. Walker did the right thing for Wisconsin and the voters overwhelmingly agreed with him, to the chagrin of the Dems, union thugs and wannabe socialists.

I am one of those "scumbag union activists" and I hope you feel like a big man for saying that Mr.Turtledude...

"scumbag" is a tad harsh... but yes, the spirit still fits.

All the rich whiners that feel they shouldnt pay any taxs hate unions....private sector workers have allowed themselves to be raped by the rich and corporations...they have been and are being stripped of health benefits and pensions and their pays are stagnant all the while all the whiners have gotten fabulously richer. Union workers are the only working class americans making a decent wage and they HATE THAT...they also hate not having total control over them...they think they are "ENTITLED" to control everyone because they are rich.
The conservative scumbags are on a roll...but the roll will end...it always does, when the working class private sector finally wake up and realize all they told them was just another rich mans lie.

You complain about the rich, but the unions have been raping the state of Wisconsin as the facts identified. I get that taking things away from the unions was unpopular. It does't change however, that it had to be done and the voters in Wisconsin agreed by a landslide. As I stated to you some weeks ago, hope does not equal reality. Either we're all sharing the "shared sacrifice" including the unions or we're not. Wisconsin is now on a more level playing field than they were and now they can get back to the States business. Hopefully Walker will continue his actions.


It a great day!
 
With all the votes in, they have about an 800 vote lead in the deciding district which would give them the majority in the State Senate.
good good good......make walker a eunuch for the rest of his term.....
 
No doubt that in 1775 the exact same assessment of strengths could have been made regarding the colonies and the British army

Not really. the Colonials had been engaging in irregular warfare for decades before they turned it on the British. Ditto for the VC and NVA.

But hey, if you think middle aged hippies angry about having to pay into their pension funds are going to be a match in urban guerrilla warfare against younger, trained personnel who grew up playing that game against much more dangerous opponents...

well, it wouldn't be the first time that the Lefts inherently dictatorial tendencies led it down the path of violence to its' own detriment.


In reality, turning the current left/right divide violent would be a horrible decision. Thus far lefties have generally gotten away with the scatterings of outbursts (longshoremen taking hostages, failed plots to blow up bridges) because they haven't had serious impact and haven't been widely known. If it were to become Part Of The Fight, however... :shrug: you would eventually see retaliation. Someone would decide if the left wasn't going to play by the rules, then neither would he - and the likelihood of that someone being able to network people who would prove to be much better at directing violence than those who had originally sparked it is relatively high.

Incidentally, it occurs to me - if the unions decide to turn violent, they are entering a poker game whose ante they can't buy.

The Koch brothers, after all, can afford the worlds' best in security.

What can you afford?
 
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:lol: sounds like loser talk to me, Weren't you one of the ones running around toutung how walker was toast? seems you and those union thugs you are so enamored with. Lost. So much so, you threaten violence....


though obviously an empty threat, still a threat none the less. :lol:

All too typical I'm afraid. Those who are the quickest to point fingers at the other side for their misconduct are also the quickest to revert to hypocrisy and emulate that misconduct as a spoiled child throwing a tantrum throws themselves on the floor screaming and kicking when they don't get their way. Such lack of character speaks volumes and damages any credibility in grown up. With kids, they just need some discipline. I'm sure there will be some reports of violence today in Wisconsin - there's always a few who cannot cope.
 
good good good......make walker a eunuch for the rest of his term.....

Psst. Public employees in Wisconsin already have the right to opt out of the union - and most of them are doing so. But good luck locking that barn now the horse is out.
 
good good good......make walker a eunuch for the rest of his term.....

Remember this if it's Obama in the same position post November. :lamo
 
All too typical I'm afraid. Those who are the quickest to point fingers at the other side for their misconduct are also the quickest to revert to hypocrisy and emulate that misconduct as a spoiled child throwing a tantrum throws themselves on the floor screaming and kicking when they don't get their way. Such lack of character speaks volumes and damages any credibility in grown up. With kids, they just need some discipline. I'm sure there will be some reports of violence today in Wisconsin - there's always a few who cannot cope.

Probably. Meanwhile, the next time some guy in a Don't Tread On Me t-shirt talks about a revolution in Washington, we'll all have to hear about how Angry And Violent The Right Is. :roll:


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walker is effectively neutered....good. i'm betting he will still be only a one term governor.

Walker just won more votes than he did in 2010 - but hey, good luck with that.
 
With all the votes in, they have about an 800 vote lead in the deciding district which would give them the majority in the State Senate.


Funny, the associated press through FNS states this...

"The GOP swept all the contests except in Racine's 23rd Senate District. Democrat John Lehman led incumbent GOP Sen. Van Wanggaard by fewer than 800 votes with all precincts reporting, making the race too close to call."

Read more: Recall to decide Wisconsin Senate control too close to call | Fox News


Now, just as it would be if this were the reverse with a rep leading by such a few votes, we need to look closely to verify the votes thoroughly...I wouldn't be surprised if some absentee ballotts showed up in a Union van at the last second.....:wink:


j-mac
 
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