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Eyewitness alleges democrat union vote fraud in wisconsin

sawyerloggingon said:
The fact that dems attempted to steal the election and still got trounced makes the victory all the sweeter.
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Just imagine if all of the public money, time and effort dedicated to the "recall election" had been put to some better purpose. Perhaps the first new law passed should be to limit these "recall" elections, to only cases where an actual abuse of power can be proven in court (like elected representatives fleeing to another state to avoid voting to serve their public).
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
The fact that dems attempted to steal the election and still got trounced makes the victory all the sweeter.
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Actually, it's not a fact that Dems attempted to steal anything.

It's amazing how all we have to go on this is the magically "Mike" conversation. When proof actually is shown, then present it. Until then, have fun foaming at the mouth.
 
TheNextEra said:
Actually, it's not a fact that Dems attempted to steal anything. [...]
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If the right were not allowed to make up their own facts, they'd have no argument at all ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Just imagine if all of the public money, time and effort dedicated to the "recall election" had been put to some better purpose. Perhaps the first new law passed should be to limit these "recall" elections, to only cases where an actual abuse of power can be proven in court (like elected representatives fleeing to another state to avoid voting to serve their public).
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The recall process was intended for use when the elected official had broken a law or commited some offense, not to redo a lost election so I couldn't agree with you more.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The recall process was intended for use when the elected official had broken a law or commited some offense, not to redo a lost election so I couldn't agree with you more.
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No. Impeachment is for offense. Recall is to invoke the lemon law.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The recall process was intended for use when the elected official had broken a law or commited some offense, not to redo a lost election [...]
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Once again, the right has made up their own facts, and once again, they are wrong.

But seriously... was there ever any doubt? :lamo

Wisconsin Constitution, Article XIII, Section 12 (as created Nov. 1926 and amended April 1981): Recall of Elective Officers

The qualified electors of the state, of any congressional, judicial or legislative district or of any county may petition for the recall of any incumbent elective officer after the first year of the term for which the incumbent was elected, by filing a petition with the filing officer with whom the nomination petition to the office in the primary is filed, demanding the recall of the incumbent.

[...] no law shall be enacted to hamper, restrict or impair the right of recall.

Article XIII, Wisconsin Constitution - Ballotpedia
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Karl said:
Once again, the right has made up their own facts, and once again, they are wrong.

But seriously... was there ever any doubt? :lamo
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I never claimed the recall was illegal; I do however think it was misused. If we start having a recall election every time one side or the other loses an election the entire country would be in the chaos Wisconsin has been in. Wisconsin and I imagine other states too need to look at this mess and amend their constitutions to stop this abuse of the process. There is a lesson to be learned here.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Just imagine if all of the public money, time and effort dedicated to the "recall election" had been put to some better purpose. Perhaps the first new law passed should be to limit these "recall" elections, to only cases where an actual abuse of power can be proven in court (like elected representatives fleeing to another state to avoid voting to serve their public).
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This is what the majority of Wisconsinites clearly want.
 
muciti said:
Another thread about voter fraud after so many times people claiming it never happens. VOTER ID LAWS ARE NEEDED!
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A thread based on an annonymous caller to a right wing talk radio show, with zero corrboration or evidence that any of what the caller alleged even happened.

Righties will believe anything :lamo

More dangerous, they are ready and willing to legislate based on it.

In fact, in order to obtain the legislation they desire, who is to say that one of their operatives is not the one who made the call? You want legislation for voter ID, you just plant some fake stories that voter fraud is occurring. Just like wanting to invade a foreign country, you just gin up some propaganda that they have WMD's. :doh
 
Karl said:
A thread based on an annonymous caller to a right wing talk radio show, with zero corrboration or evidence that any of what the caller alleged even happened.

Righties will believe anything :lamo

More dangerous, they are ready and willing to legislate based on it.

In fact, in order to obtain the legislation they desire, who is to say that one of their operatives is not the one who made the call? You want legislation for voter ID, you just plant some fake stories that voter fraud is occurring. Just like wanting to invade a foreign country, you just gin up some propaganda that they have WMD's. :doh
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That is just rediculous. This is far from the first story we've heard about voter fraud and it won't be the last. However it may be easier if you just ignore the problem and the repeated accounts. Why have a fair, clean election anyway right?

Furthermore, how exactly am I a rightie who will believe anything? My assumption is that you are falling to that because your argument is pathetic and weak.

And your reference to WMD's just shows that you are uneducated and seemingly get your information off of posters and billboards. Maybe you should consider actually looking into something and educating yourself before making these rediculous claims
 
muciti said:
Another thread about voter fraud after so many times people claiming it never happens. VOTER ID LAWS ARE NEEDED!
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Do you really believe that if someone is determined to commit voter fraud that they will be unable to forge a Voter ID if implemented?

Furthermore, it's amazing to me that you put so much credibility to some guy that called into a radio program.
 
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That is just rediculous. This is far from the first story we've heard about voter fraud and it won't be the last. However it may be easier if you just ignore the problem and the repeated accounts. Why have a fair, clean election anyway right?
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Please provide the statistical data, then, to show the extent of voter fraud that would be prevented by voter ID.
 
muciti said:
That is just rediculous. This is far from the first story we've heard about voter fraud and it won't be the last.
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Actually it's not even a story about voter fraud; it's a story of a bunch of guys on a bus.

But do please share with us some of your other stories.

Or more of your ad hominems.

Which ever you think gives your argument its best intellectual flair.
 
Karl said:
Actually it's not even a story about voter fraud; it's a story of a bunch of guys on a bus.

But do please share with us some of your other stories.

Or more of your ad hominems.

Which ever you think gives your argument its best intellectual flair.
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If you make it too simple, most won't understand.
 
muciti said:
That is just rediculous. This is far from the first story we've heard about voter fraud and it won't be the last. However it may be easier if you just ignore the problem and the repeated accounts. Why have a fair, clean election anyway right?

Furthermore, how exactly am I a rightie who will believe anything? My assumption is that you are falling to that because your argument is pathetic and weak.

And your reference to WMD's just shows that you are uneducated and seemingly get your information off of posters and billboards. Maybe you should consider actually looking into something and educating yourself before making these rediculous claims
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Yeah, it's a real problem. Like an election supervisor said in my state.... "Fraud, [Ion Sancho, the 24-year veteran election supervisor in Leon County] said, simply isn’t much of an issue. “You are more likely to walk out of your office and get hit by a bolt of lightning,” he said."
 
muciti said:
That is just rediculous. This is far from the first story we've heard about voter fraud and it won't be the last. However it may be easier if you just ignore the problem and the repeated accounts. Why have a fair, clean election anyway right?

Furthermore, how exactly am I a rightie who will believe anything? My assumption is that you are falling to that because your argument is pathetic and weak.

And your reference to WMD's just shows that you are uneducated and seemingly get your information off of posters and billboards. Maybe you should consider actually looking into something and educating yourself before making these rediculous claims
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Righties who believe anything believe that there actually were WMD's. They also tend to spell "ridiculous" wrongly too. They leave themselves open to redicule.
 
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Hahahaha the bull**** meter went off the chart when he said he'd get killed for being a Republican. Hahahahah.
 
Has any legitimacy been established for this story or was it a confirmed radio stunt?

Seems like a total joke.
 
Blue_State said:
Has any legitimacy been established for this story or was it a confirmed radio stunt?

Seems like a total joke.
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It was a prescuse. And excuse made in advance so that there would be room to bitch had things not gone their way.
 
j-mac said:
What would you, and Karl like me to acknowledge now? The point of contention was in voting with ID, and that is not happening in WI...Sooooooo?


j-mac
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Oh, so you weren't wrong about voting ID, you just didn't read the post you had contention with properly.

Blue_State said:
Has any legitimacy been established for this story or was it a confirmed radio stunt?

Seems like a total joke.
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There's no legitimacy because it's a plan that wouldn't have worked. Short of literally stealing peoples' identities, none of those people would have been able to vote because they'd need proof of residency to register. (and even then the discrepancy is easily noticed when Jim Jimson from ThisPlace, WI shows up to vote a second time)
 
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More completely effective "Liberal voting fraud"

Really, don't you think if there were widespread fraud on the left, Walker would have lost? Or at least not win by such a large margin.?
 
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