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    Re: Drone strike kills No. 2 Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    So you believe all military personnel are terrorists? Interesting. I disagree, but find such an opinion to be fascinating.
    I know you weren't asking me, but I wanted to weigh in on this.

    This is a 'tough' thing to weigh in on.

    It boils down to perspectives, really.

    I mean, if you're an Iraqi, chances are, your perception of the American military is going to be negative, likely akin to terrorists, which has validness to it based off the simple fact that the #1 premise for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be absolutely false, which makes the War itself, a false War, and every action thereafter filled with terrorism.

    As Americans, we see our military's actions as: "protecting national security," "protecting our vital interests," "killing the bad guy," and "what we're supposed to be doing". And that's because that's how the media tells us.

    It just never seems like anyone has stopped and thought about the mountain of dead people the United States military has left in its wake and made it stick enough to gain national momentum. The amount of bombs we've set off. The amount of bullets we've fired. Terrorism is a relative term.

    Notice how I haven't mentioned the clandestine boys yet.


    But no. Not 'all' military personnel are terrorists. But there are a lot of terrorist actions from the military.

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    Re: Drone strike kills No. 2 Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I know you weren't asking me, but I wanted to weigh in on this.

    This is a 'tough' thing to weigh in on.

    It boils down to perspectives, really.

    I mean, if you're an Iraqi, chances are, your perception of the American military is going to be negative, likely akin to terrorists, which has validness to it based off the simple fact that the #1 premise for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be absolutely false, which makes the War itself, a false War, and every action thereafter filled with terrorism.

    As Americans, we see our military's actions as: "protecting national security," "protecting our vital interests," "killing the bad guy," and "what we're supposed to be doing". And that's because that's how the media tells us.

    It just never seems like anyone has stopped and thought about the mountain of dead people the United States military has left in its wake and made it stick enough to gain national momentum. The amount of bombs we've set off. The amount of bullets we've fired. Terrorism is a relative term.

    Notice how I haven't mentioned the clandestine boys yet.


    But no. Not 'all' military personnel are terrorists. But there are a lot of terrorist actions from the military.
    A lot of people don't understand the concept of asymmetrical war. Everyone the US engages is a terrorist. Has anyone stopped to think what a terrorist is? If countries of the Middle East had ability to invade our country because some unelected, former, or present or self exiled America asked them to; if they built bases and camps, gutted our infrastructure; forced sharia law on everyone, controlled our resources, gave the billions to the handpicked new powers that be; destroyed many homes and jobs; dotted our country with DU and other toxics of war that have been proven to cause health problems for years to come, including birth defects, ALS and cancer; tens of thousands of American civilian casualties and tens of thousands of civilians wounded would that qualify as terrorizing the nation? You damned skippy it would.

    On the receiving end what's the difference between IED and drone attacks? IED aren't happening here. Drone attacks, well their coming sooner perhaps than we think. But it will be our own government federal, then state and then local.

    As to American military personnel involved in ever increasing military actions, the vast majority just want to come the **** home. The majority of people who want them to stay and kill more people are Washington, neocons and civilians who have no idea what its like being in the **** that are responsible for what the American military does.
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    Re: Drone strike kills No. 2 Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I mean, if you're an Iraqi, chances are, your perception of the American military is going to be negative, likely akin to terrorists, which has validness to it based off the simple fact that the #1 premise for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be absolutely false, which makes the War itself, a false War, and every action thereafter filled with terrorism.
    Negative, to some, I agree, but that doesn't mean "akin to terrorists". From the stats I've read most Iraqis wanted the US to leave for two reasons, nationalist pride and a belief (probably true) that continued American presence was drawing in more terrorist attacks than it was preventing. Once the war was over, most Iraqi deaths were caused by terrorist bombings and murders, not American gunfire or bombings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    It just never seems like anyone has stopped and thought about the mountain of dead people the United States military has left in its wake and made it stick enough to gain national momentum. The amount of bombs we've set off. The amount of bullets we've fired. Terrorism is a relative term.
    There is war and there is terrorism. If you want to feel bad about all the bad guys we've killed in two World Wars, be my guest, but every experienced military leader knows war should only be used as a last resort because of the massive costs in blood and treasure.

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