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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So they should be outraged at neither?
    I think his point is more that you should be outraged by one and support the other, or vise versa.

    Basically you're outraged at the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and support the removal of government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).

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    You support the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and are outraged at the removal of government intrusion into private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).

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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    From a purely political point, you have a good point. How about from a law enforcement point, are they both equal? How many crimes has a Big Gulp caused? Just saying.
    The Big Gulp has "caused" probably about as many crimes...sans the crime of simply possessing/selling/etc of it...that Pot has.

    You remember the phrase 2nd amendment fans use routinely...Gun's don't kill people, people kill people. Well, pot doesn't commit crimes, people commit crimes.

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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    From a purely political point, you have a good point. How about from a law enforcement point, are they both equal? How many crimes has a Big Gulp caused? Just saying.
    Marijuana doesn't cause as many crimes as criminalizing marijuana has.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think his point is more that you should be outraged by one and support the other, or vise versa.

    Basically you're outraged at the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and support the removal of government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).

    OR

    You support the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and are outraged at the removal of government intrusion into private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).
    Ideologically this is easy, but I'm not quite convince of these premises as a practical matter.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think his point is more that you should be outraged by one and support the other, or vise versa.

    Basically you're outraged at the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and support the removal of government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).

    OR

    You support the government intrusion into the private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they have access to soda) and are outraged at the removal of government intrusion into private individuals choice of what to put in their body (limiting how they can be in trouble for marijuana).

    Or you can be outraged by neither if you are not a New Yorker and you are a neo-anti-federalist.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The Big Gulp has "caused" probably about as many crimes...sans the crime of simply possessing/selling/etc of it...that Pot has.

    You remember the phrase 2nd amendment fans use routinely...Gun's don't kill people, people kill people. Well, pot doesn't commit crimes, people commit crimes.
    I'll have to think on that.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Ideologically this is easy, but I'm not quite convince of these premises as a practical matter.
    I can respect that. Ideology and practicality sometimes bump head ot head within the real world and too often people want to try and claim the practical answer is absolutely ideologically sound as well. I can appreciate being willing to state that it's a balance between the two sometimes, and that when you balance you don't try to claim the outcome is one when it's really due to the other.

    I tihnk we'd probably go round and round on the practicality of the situation but don't think I'm up for a full on "legalize marijuana" debate at the moment.

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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's not hypocritical if the impetus for both laws is to minimize government expenditures associated with these things.


    So it's not about health, but about how we can fine people. gotcha.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So it's not about health, but about how we can fine people. gotcha.
    I don't think he's talking about fines. Pot laws cost billions of dollars in interdiction costs, trial costs, and penitentiary costs. Unhealthy food/drink adds to medical costs.
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    Re: Bloomberg Backs Plan to Limit Arrests for Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't think he's talking about fines. Pot laws cost billions of dollars in interdiction costs, trial costs, and penitentiary costs. Unhealthy food/drink adds to medical costs.

    So smoking pot won't affect health costs? Why the hell is thier a stop smoking campaign. Statists, are so confusing sometimes....
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