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Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

Eighty Deuce said:
If all you say is true, and it most certainly is mostly spin, but even if true, it only illuminates how absolutely desperate Obama is to squeeze every last vote out of his Hispanic base.

He's going down hard.
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Er what lol? If all I say is true, how is it about Obama at all?
 
teamosil said:
Er what lol? If all I say is true, how is it about Obama at all?
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Its his DoJ. And its his Executive Order last week. He's getting pretty frantic of late. Especially with regard to a voting block that you indicate is in-the-bag.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Its his DoJ. And its his Executive Order last week. He's getting pretty frantic of late. Especially with regard to a voting block that you indicate is in-the-bag.
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It was the right thing to do, and a smart move politically. If that's getting frantic then I'd like to see more of it.
 
AdamT said:
It was the right thing to do, and a smart move politically. If that's getting frantic then I'd like to see more of it.
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Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice. And believe it or not, polls on it are running well against Obama.

FYI, in another Forum, I took your position. Your position mirrors Rubio's. My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of. And he is getting slaughtered in the polls on it. Like 75-25.

As part of a larger solution, I do agree. Let these kids stay. Absolutely.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice. And believe it or not, polls on it are running well against Obama.

FYI, in another Forum, I took your position. Your position mirrors Rubio's. My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of. And he is getting slaughtered in the polls on it. Like 75-25.

As part of a larger solution, I do agree. Let these kids stay. Absolutely.
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You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.

Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....

IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice.
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Well, first of all, it doesn't just rally hispanics. It also rallies people with a strong sense of morality and/or common sense.

But, the Hispanics are securely non-Republican, they aren't necessarily super amped up about the Democrats. Turnout is just as important as the percentage of a group that you get.

Eighty Deuce said:
My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of.
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How is Rubio's half-assed mini-dream-act "part of" a comprehensive solution? It's a tiny bone he is trying to throw to Hispanics that his own party refuses to accept. The Democrats have been pushing for a comprehensive solution for a decade or more, but the Republicans shut them down at every turn. You know that.
 
Teamo. Don't "piss on my leg and tell me its raining". The Dems haven't pushed for anything comprehensive. Step one is to secure the border, which is poison to libs.

Yes, Rubio has taken a position that many in the GOP will not easily embrace. But many in the GOP do want a real solution. It is Obama who does not. It is Obama who has sued AZ and AL. It is Obama who wants to divide America.

Obama is not about solutions. Maybe you can sell that crap to some flunkie. But as you know, I run circles around libs.

Easily.
 
btw, in case you missed it, Rubio announced that he's abandoning his effort to pass the watered down DREAM Act. Apparently this was a political ploy intended to show that Obama's policy was a political ploy. Oy.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Teamo. Don't "piss on my leg and tell me its raining". The Dems haven't pushed for anything comprehensive. Step one is to secure the border, which is poison to libs.
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No, the libs want to secure the border too. But here is the catch. We can't do it first. If we did border security first then the Republicans would screw us and block fixes for the folks who are already here. We need to do it all at once in one bill. We can get some Republicans on board with border security stuff that way.

Eighty Deuce said:
It is Obama who wants to divide America.
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Oh come on. What are we in junior high? Just blurting out moronic slogans is a waste of your time. It just makes you look dumb like those people who scream "socialism" all the time.
 
AdamT said:
You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.

Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....

IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
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It is late, and I have a busy day tomorrrow. I did look at a poll in CA yesterday that had Obama's EO behind by 80%. Regardless, more will surface in coming days, and the proof, yay or nay, will be in his overall ratings.

Bush did not lead on many things. He was in fact a failure as a leader on many things. You can quote me.

Since you mention Reagan, I believe we would both agree that he led on Immigration. He got a considerable amnesty bill passed. And he was the last President to do so. Blame whomever you want since, but Reagan at least showed that it could be done.
 
AdamT said:
btw, in case you missed it, Rubio announced that he's abandoning his effort to pass the watered down DREAM Act. Apparently this was a political ploy intended to show that Obama's policy was a political ploy. Oy.
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Its not going to happen before the election. Hopefully the next Congress, with leadership from POTUS, gets Immigration done. A pox on whomever if they do not.

Out.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Liberal Democrats will always have a problem purging their voter base of illegals aliens and dead people
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Prof. Peabody said:
That was an opinion, feel free to give yours or better yet prove me wrong.
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This statement is an opinion.

I'll rep your reply if you can correctly point out the irony in the above sentence.
 
AdamT said:
You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.
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Pandering to a base that went 67% for him in 2008 shows that the Obama campaign knows full well that they have serious problems among their own base. I just hope hispanics see through this cynical political stunt.

Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....
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The only poll worth anything is in November this year. But I will say that a drop from 67% to 49% equals an 18 point drop is significant.

IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
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Nonsense. False portrayal. Look, Obama had an overwhelming majority for the first two years of his administration. Obama chose to ram through HC, Obama chose to ram through a trillion dollar pay off to his political cronies, Obama chose not to seriously tackle jobs loss, immigration, borders, and a host of other issues that should have come first. And why? because he wanted in place that which had the greatest effect on controlling the population, and "transforming" America out of its place at the top of the world power chain.

He is a destroyer, and a divider.

j-mac
 
AdamT said:
Just to follow up on the polling discussion:
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Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Pandering to a base that went 67% for him in 2008 shows that the Obama campaign knows full well that they have serious problems among their own base. I just hope hispanics see through this cynical political stunt.
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Doing what he said he would do isn't pandering.

The only poll worth anything is in November this year. But I will say that a drop from 67% to 49% equals an 18 point drop is significant.
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I will say that Americans generally favor the move by a two to one margin, according to the Bloomberg poll.

Nonsense. False portrayal. Look, Obama had an overwhelming majority for the first two years of his administration. Obama chose to ram through HC, Obama chose to ram through a trillion dollar pay off to his political cronies, Obama chose not to seriously tackle jobs loss, immigration, borders, and a host of other issues that should have come first. And why? because he wanted in place that which had the greatest effect on controlling the population, and "transforming" America out of its place at the top of the world power chain.
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I was talking about the situation now — not two years ago. Frankly health care reform and the economy were bigger priorities, and he correctly identified that.

He is a destroyer, and a divider.
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And that is pure political hackery.
 
j-mac said:
Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

j-mac
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The reason you ask is that conservatives habitually attack the foundation of polls that don't turn out the way they like.

I'm sure you can follow the link and find the relevant information.
 
AdamT said:
Doing what he said he would do isn't pandering.
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Start this video from 2011 of Obama speaking to La Raza at 15:50 and then you tell me what has changed?



I will say that Americans generally favor the move by a two to one margin, according to the Bloomberg poll.
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Again, the question, and make up of participants are everything. You don't tell us that.

I was talking about the situation now — not two years ago. Frankly health care reform and the economy were bigger priorities, and he correctly identified that.
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Nonsense, HC was not bigger than the economy. Obama has failed.

And that is pure political hackery.
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Look at his campaign Adam. He is doing nothing now but pandering, dividing, and name calling...That is the true hackery.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's? [...]
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:lamo . . . . . . denial is never a pretty thing ;)
 
AdamT said:
Just to follow up on the polling discussion:
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Wow. I figured it was going to be another 45/45 split, with the rest being undecided. This margin is almost 2-to-1!

j-mac said:
Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

j-mac
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Pretty sure the article answers that question. ;)
 
AdamT said:
The reason you ask is that conservatives habitually attack the foundation of polls that don't turn out the way they like.
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You state it as though it is a phenomenon unique to Conservatives.

C'mon.
 
AdamT said:
Not unique, but certainly more prevalent.
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Here is a poll for you :)

Poll: Majority of Florida voters support purge

The survey of 1,697 Florida voters by Quinnipiac University showed 60 percent in favor and 35 percent opposed to the governor's attempts. Five percent didn't have an opinion. The margin of error in a snapshot of voters' views taken between June 12 and June 18 was plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

"Gov. Scott may be a lot less popular in Florida these days than President Barack Obama, but on the face-off between the two on the purge issue, Floridians seem to be solidly in Scott's corner," pollster Peter Brown said Wednesday. "Whether this voter purge becomes a big deal issue in the campaign or not is not clear at this point."

A similar majority, 56 percent, also supported the state's "stand your ground" law that allows citizens to defend themselves with deadly force if they feel threatened. Thirty-seven percent said they oppose the law.

read more: Poll: Majority of Florida voters support purge | www.wdbo.com
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