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Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

No. It is not. The state has every right to establish protocols by which they verify eligibility to vote. Of course folks will show up that are legal voters, but whom for some reason, their info is not properly on file. The State's only obligation is to provide a reasonable remedy.

Florida is doing its job. The legal voters of Florida are fine with this.

Then explain to me why Rick Scott's approval rating has fallen to 31%.

Of course there will be uncivilized people that support a "state's right" to purge minorities from the voting rolls, but I don't think that the majority of citizens are that brain-dead. And IF a government is tyrannical enough to purge people from the polls, those are the type that should be first to go.
 
At the end of the day there is no reason to question the integrity of our elections. The systems and penalties that have been in place for years are remarkably effective. If anything we should be making it EASIER to vote — not harder. Any attempt to crack down on the minuscule level of fraud that we have is almost certain to do more harm than good ... IF the objective is to have the most representative elections possible.

I need hip waders to read your completely unsupported drivel. Voting for President is a privilege. There are age and citizenship and good-standing requirements.

We are gonna bust all the imposters. To be against that is to be semi-American at best.
 
Then explain to me why Rick Scott's approval rating has fallen to 31%.

Of course there will be uncivilized people that support a "state's right" to purge minorities from the voting rolls, but I don't think that the majority of citizens are that brain-dead. And IF a government is tyrannical enough to purge people from the polls, those are the type that should be first to go.

Well, it would seem the liberal "legislate by approval ratings" knucklehead approach is prefered.

Nope. Be legal, or you won't vote. Tough ****.
 
Oh.
My.
God.

This is one of the scariest comments I have EVER heard on this website.

Well ! Check the Constitution. You will see that you have no right to vote for President. Of course, that apparently might scare the **** out of you.

Then get back to me about how it felt to learn something new ;)
 
How about this for an idea... and have it apply to all states

9 months prior to all Presidential elections, all voter rolls are purged. All citizens must re-register, and prove to their a State/County official or Notary Public they are who they say they are, or they are not allowed to vote.

This eliminates all the issued of dead people voting, or of people not entitled to vote voting. Personally, I would have no problem with that at all. Show ID and proof of citizenship every 4 years no matter what state you are in. Would cut out a lot of crap I would thing, to make something like that nationwide.
 
How about this for an idea... and have it apply to all states

9 months prior to all Presidential elections, all voter rolls are purged. All citizens must re-register, and prove to their a State/County official or Notary Public they are who they say they are, or they are not allowed to vote.

At least it would be fair instead of targeting specific American citizen groups. Voter ID is better. There are problems with voter ID, but as long as the money was provided to fix those problems, it would be fair.
 
Well ! Check the Constitution. You will see that you have no right to vote for President. Of course, that apparently might scare the **** out of you.

Then get back to me about how it felt to learn something new ;)

I am not interested in a lecture about the electoral college. I know how it works. That's a trivial detail compared to the outrageously absurd comment that you made that takes a massive dump on the very essence of ALL citizens' right to vote. You called voting a PRIVILEGE. My god, how much farther can the Right slide??
 
At least it would be fair instead of targeting specific American citizen groups. Voter ID is better. There are problems with voter ID, but as long as the money was provided to fix those problems, it would be fair.

How? If this happened whoever held the least amount of power in the country would be screaming like banshees that the majority is disenfranchising minority voters. Then we would have party hacks from both sides defending or attacking these procedures. If that happened we would have a huge discussion thread on DP and everything! Now we all know nothing like this would happen especially in the year of a weak economy and even weaker incumbent presidents record running for reelection !
 
I am not interested in a lecture about the electoral college. I know how it works. That's a trivial detail compared to the outrageously absurd comment that you made that takes a massive dump on the very essence of ALL citizens' right to vote.

Key word there in bold and you hit on it....
 
Key word there in bold and you hit on it....

That's not what he said. I'm in agreement with you that only citizens should vote. I'm not sure if I'm agreement that ALL adult citizens MUST be allowed to vote. I take stark offense to the very notion that voting could EVER be a privilege.
 
Obviously for many, it's "Prove you are legal or you don't vote. Tough **** ****!)

You have a link that this is what Florida is doing? I'd be interested in seeing this document. Thanks.
 
That's not what he said. I'm in agreement with you that only citizens should vote. I'm not sure if I'm agreement that ALL adult citizens MUST be allowed to vote. I take stark offense to the very notion that voting could EVER be a privilege.

To me voting is an imperative. Yes, valid citizens must be given ample opportunity to vote.... I also do not think it's a privilege, yet it must be a breathing, alive, human, citizen. Not dead goldfish... not the family dog... not dead Auntie Velma and not the four guest workers at the plant from Columbia.
 
To me voting is an imperative. Yes, valid citizens must be given ample opportunity to vote.... I also do not think it's a privilege, yet it must be a breathing, alive, human, citizen. Not dead goldfish... not the family dog... not dead Auntie Velma and not the four guest workers at the plant from Columbia.

Yes, but anyway a person wants to slice it, voting is a privilege, if you are not a certain age you cannot vote. As I understand it, if you are convicted of certain crimes etc you cannot vote. If voting is a "Right" then the moment you are born you can vote.
 
Here is where you could have stopped your post and been at least half honest. The half that is honest is "Don't care".... And why? because it doesn't matter if it is legitimate or not. [...]
LOL -- look at the pot calling the kettle black, folks. The FL voter purge is illegal due to timing, but the poster "doesn't care".

Legitimate voters have been tasked to proving their legitimacy, far in excess of any illegally registered voters found, but the poster "doesn't care".

Legitimate voters may well be discouraged to vote by the illegal (again, timing) nature of the FL purge, but the poster "doesn't care".
 
Now that would be a crazy world we live in today if protecting the integrity of the vote is against the law.... [...]
Feigned obtuseness is always a dangerous debate tactic, since some may accept the act at face value.
 
Which citizens have been deprived their right to vote in Florida by Gov Scott ? Can you name these people and who turned them away from the voting booth? Maybe which city they were turned away from ?
Since the election has not yet been held, your argument is borne of hysteria.
 
You have a link that this is what Florida is doing? I'd be interested in seeing this document. Thanks.

It's in the previously linked articles where legal American citizens had to prove they were eligible to vote. I can't see how any American, regardless of their party or racial orientation, can see how it is a good thing to disenfranchise American citizens then tell them to prove they are eligible to vote. If this happened in Texas, we'd have a Governor hanging in the Capital lobby.
 
It's in the previously linked articles where legal American citizens had to prove they were eligible to vote. I can't see how any American, regardless of their party or racial orientation, can see how it is a good thing to disenfranchise American citizens then tell them to prove they are eligible to vote. If this happened in Texas, we'd have a Governor hanging in the Capital lobby.


In my state we have voter ID cards that we present when voting. When we register to vote the state mails the card. It has not caused any problems like "hanging chads, the dead voting, or ineligable voters to voting". And we all know for a fact that these things happen in the US.


I see no problem with insuring that those who are voting are doing so legally.
 
Yes, but anyway a person wants to slice it, voting is a privilege, if you are not a certain age you cannot vote. As I understand it, if you are convicted of certain crimes etc you cannot vote. If voting is a "Right" then the moment you are born you can vote.
Using your criteria, the 2nd Amendment is a privilege, not a right.

Thanks for playing :mrgreen:
 
In my state we have voter ID cards that we present when voting. When we register to vote the state mails the card. It has not caused any problems like "hanging chads, the dead voting, or ineligable voters to voting". And we all know for a fact that these things happen in the US.


I see no problem with insuring that those who are voting are doing so legally.

Voter ID cards here. Unfortunately, they don't have pictures on them and are simply pieces of printed paper. I think we do have to present a picture ID, but I forget. As previously posted at least twice, I firmly support excising those ineligible to vote from the rolls and ensuring that only those eligible to vote are able to do so. Apparently the main disagreement is the willingness by some to disenfranchise American citizens in an effort to capture to ineligible to vote. IMO, this is wrong. Find a better method to clean the roster.
 
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In my state we have voter ID cards that we present when voting. When we register to vote the state mails the card. It has not caused any problems like "hanging chads, the dead voting, or ineligable voters to voting". And we all know for a fact that these things happen in the US. [...]
And that has exactly what to do with the illegal FL purge?
 
At least it would be fair instead of targeting specific American citizen groups. Voter ID is better. There are problems with voter ID, but as long as the money was provided to fix those problems, it would be fair.

Actually, Voter ID would be great, but I never see that happening. Far to many paranoids that would die rather then use a "Government ID".
 
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