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Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

Phys251 said:
Still waiting to hear a legitimate reason why purging the voter rolls of ethnic minorities is a good thing.
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There are many illegal Hispanics in America. There will be those that cry racism and "wicked GOP" due to this fact because they want to see it as a race issue and not an illegal voting issue. No one wants to purge the roles of legal minorities, but odds are many of those who are illegally registered happen to be Hispanic due to the numbers of illegal immigrants from nations where Hispanics make up a majority of the population.
 
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Phys251 said:
Still waiting to hear a legitimate reason why purging the voter rolls of ethnic minorities is a good thing.
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Still waiting to hear that this is in fact what's going on. The attempt is to purge the voter rolls of those who have no right to vote. It would make sense that in Florida, the majority of those folks who do not have the right to vote (mostly non-citizens) are "ethnic minorities".
 
digsbe said:
There are many illegal Hispanics in America. There will be those that cry racism and "wicked GOP" due to this fact because they want to see it as a race issue and not an illegal voting issue. No one wants to purge the roles of legal minorities, but odds are many of those who are illegally registered happen to be Hispanic due to the numbers of illegal immigrants from nations where Hispanics make up a majority of the population.
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Post proof or retract. The pro-purgers owe an explanation as to why the DoJ is investigating this problem.

clownboy said:
Still waiting to hear that this is in fact what's going on. The attempt is to purge the voter rolls of those who have no right to vote. It would make sense that in Florida, the majority of those folks who do not have the right to vote (mostly non-citizens) are "ethnic minorities".
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Use of quote marks? Do you deny that Hispanics are ethnic minorities? And they represent 23% of Florida's population, yet they represent 58% of the purge. Yep, that's not racist.

But go ahead, GOP. Keep wondering why the fastest ethic group in America is becoming more and more Democratic by the day.
 
Phys251 said:
Post proof or retract. The pro-purgers owe an explanation as to why the DoJ is investigating this problem.
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You mean the same DoJ that stopped prosecution of NBP members wielding nightsticks outside a Philly voting place? Explain that DoJ?

Use of quote marks? Do you deny that Hispanics are ethnic minorities? And they represent 23% of Florida's population, yet they represent 58% of the purge. Yep, that's not racist.

But go ahead, GOP. Keep wondering why the fastest ethic group in America is becoming more and more Democratic by the day.
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Probably because they are buying the lies of liberals about free stuff.

j-mac
 
digsbe said:
Purging the lists for illegal voters is always good. There are going to be misshaps and I don't think this is a "Republicans want to block minorities" vote kind of a thing.
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No offense, but that strikes me as pretty naive. Politicians actually operate at a much, much, more explicit level with this kind of stuff than that. They study things like what time female Asians between 18 and 34 that work in professional jobs are most likely to vote and then fight tooth and nail to get the polling places open later or closed earlier depending on whether that demographic tends to support them or not. The notion that they would do something like this purge without having considered how it would affect the demographics of the electorate is simply not plausible. Especially given that their purge of supposed felons last time removed many thousands of legal voters, overwhelmingly minorities, from the roles for having names that were similar to the names of felons. For example, they would remove "Raynesha Johns" because there was a "Raynesha Johnson" who committed a felony somewhere in the US once.

They know exactly what they are doing.
 
Phys251 said:
Use of quote marks? Do you deny that Hispanics are ethnic minorities? And they represent 23% of Florida's population, yet they represent 58% of the purge. Yep, that's not racist.
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Yes, because I was mirroring YOUR terminology, so the quotes were appropriate. And again, since you don't appear to be all that connected to mathematics, what percentage of non-citizens residing in Florida are hispanic?That is the figure you should be applying the purge numbers to. Again, makes sense since the non-eligible for vote population in Florida is largely hispanic.

Phys251 said:
But go ahead, GOP. Keep wondering why the fastest ethic group in America is becoming more and more Democratic by the day.
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Give it time. Catering to that block will eventually tear the dems a new arsehole. :mrgreen:
 
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j-mac said:
You mean the same DoJ that stopped prosecution of NBP members wielding nightsticks outside a Philly voting place? Explain that DoJ?
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Already resorting to argumenta ad hominem?

Probably because they are buying the lies of liberals about free stuff.

j-mac
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Do you believe, then, that Hispanics are lazy?
 
Phys251 said:
Use of quote marks? Do you deny that Hispanics are ethnic minorities? And they represent 23% of Florida's population, yet they represent 58% of the purge. Yep, that's not racist.
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Of course, because they are also the largest group of immigrants. This should be a no-brainer.

There are basically 4 groups of "ineligable voters":

1. Those to young to vote, a small minority.
2. Those ineligable to vote due to personal misconduct (for example, some felons and those incarcerated or on probation/parole).
3. Fraudulent registration, such as pets, dead people, etc.
4. Illegal aliens or resident aliens.

Granted, the numbers of 1-3 are less then half of those who are not eligable, which means that #4 is the biggest reason for purging them from the rosters. And I do not care if they are legal or illegal, European or Hispanic. If they are ineligable to vote, they should not be registered. Period.

And trying to make it to be "Hispanics" instead of "aliens" is really pushing it. Stop playing the race card. Because there are tend of millions of "Hispanics" that are legally registered to vote in Florida.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Of course, because they are also the largest group of immigrants. This should be a no-brainer.

There are basically 4 groups of "ineligable voters":

1. Those to young to vote, a small minority.
2. Those ineligable to vote due to personal misconduct (for example, some felons and those incarcerated or on probation/parole).
3. Fraudulent registration, such as pets, dead people, etc.
4. Illegal aliens or resident aliens.

Granted, the numbers of 1-3 are less then half of those who are not eligable, which means that #4 is the biggest reason for purging them from the rosters. And I do not care if they are legal or illegal, European or Hispanic. If they are ineligable to vote, they should not be registered. Period.

And trying to make it to be "Hispanics" instead of "aliens" is really pushing it. Stop playing the race card. Because there are tend of millions of "Hispanics" that are legally registered to vote in Florida.
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Oh no. I'm not going to casually dismiss the race issue. YOUR side played the race card. YOUR side singled out two ethnicities (African-Americans being the other) that overwhelmingly voted Democratic. YOUR side needs to explain how this is any different than the Southern Strategy and other racist platforms in your past. This is all on YOU (plural).
 
Phys251 said:
Oh no. I'm not going to casually dismiss the race issue. YOUR side played the race card. YOUR side singled out two ethnicities (African-Americans being the other) that overwhelmingly voted Democratic. YOUR side needs to explain how this is any different than the Southern Strategy and other racist platforms in your past. This is all on YOU (plural).
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Interesting, but when did this get to be about "sides"? And when were we to line up as to the side we wished to join? I thought it was a thread about purging voter roles of the non-eligible, using the case in Florida as a starting point.

Does this mean your "side" wants to ignore the duty of the SOS to maintain the voter rolls? That your side wants to allow anyone to vote, eligible or not, as long as they vote your way?
 
Florida defies federal government, will continue voter purge
DAYTONA BEACH --

Florida's top elections official is throwing allegations of law violations back at the federal government in a dispute over the state's efforts to purge non-citizen voters.

Secretary of State Ken Detzner accused the Department of Homeland Security of violating federal law by refusing to give state election officials access to its alien verification database.

Detzner also denied allegations by the Department of Justice that Florida's purge violates federal anti-discrimination and voter registration laws in a letter to the agency's voting section chief, T. Christian Herren.
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WAY TO GO FLORIDA !!!!
:fueltofir :elephantf :good_job: :bravo: :gunsmilie
 
clownboy said:
That a nice turn you made, going from a "we can suppose" scenerio to this. Two things about this report - it's what's KNOWN thus far, and it does not say, or even guess how many dead voters were purged. How many of those dead also voted somehow after they were dead? How many of those asked for verification were actually non-ciitizens or not eligible to vote?
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There is no indication that anyone on the list was a dead voter -- speaking of nice turns! :lol:


Don't know if you've ever worked with the elderly, the disadvantaged or the handicapped, but if you had, you'd know they require, they lean, a great deal on government services. There are, in communties across America and certainly throughout Florida, daily shuttles and transportation for those folks to government centers so they can do their business.

If a person is bed-ridden, and the sort to want to continue the exercise of their vote, I guarantee they've already made arrangements for interfacing with the government, local, state and federal.

Btw, what is the process for verification. You seem to have info I haven't seen posted. Is there a hearing?
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That's a gross over generalization. Someone might have help a few days a week, but that doesn't mean they have someone to drive them several hours to attend a hearing and/or represent them.
 
Disputatious71 said:
WAY TO GO FLORIDA !!!!
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Exactly! Every single election supervisor in the state has told Scott to **** off! :fueltofir :elephantf :good_job: :bravo: :gunsmilie
 
AdamT said:
Exactly! Every single election supervisor in the state has told Scott to **** off! :fueltofir :elephantf :good_job: :bravo: :gunsmilie
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You should try to comprehend the article before you post a reply ignorant of its content...
 
If most followed the modern conservative standards for racism, we'd believe the civil war wasn't about slavery, racial discrimination is a "states right" and the civil rights act of 1964 is a violation of property rights. As far as this Florida thing goes, it's blatantly clear Florida Republicans are afraid of losing again so they're targeting another minority which votes Democrat.
 
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Hatuey said:
If most followed the modern conservative standards for racism, we'd believe the civil war wasn't about slavery, racial discrimination is a "states right" and the civil rights act of 1964 is a violation of property rights. As far as this Florida thing goes, it's blatantly clear Florida Republicans are afraid of losing again so they're targeting another minority which votes Democrat.
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These Democrat voting minorities would be the non-citizen, deceased, or convicted felon racial groups ?
 
Disputatious71 said:
These Democrat voting minorities would be the non-citizen, deceased, or convicted felon racial groups ?
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Let's not forget the thousands (if needed) of absentee ballots riding around in former ACORN, (who knows what they call themselves now) trunks, just waiting for some stooge, George Soros funded, SOS, liberal/progressive to pop up with the old 'hey, just found these ballots to count'.....

Just like with Al Franken.


j-mac
 
danarhea said:
What do William Internicola and Archibald Bowyer have in common?

1) They are both 91 years old.

2) Both were born in the United States.

3) They both were declared non-citizens by the State of Florida.

4) BOTH FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR II, AND ONE OF THEM IS EVEN A WAR HERO.

Way to support those who fought for our country, Governor Scott...... Douche bag!!

While Rick Scott is considering to actually refuse to obey the laws of the United States of America, and go ahead with his vote purge, despite the order from the Department of Justice not to, Supervisors of Elections in Florida, some of them who are Republican, are refusing to obey Scott's orders to conduct the purge. Good for them. They are the REAL Americans, much to Scott's chagrin. But Scott does have an option here. If he doesn't like the disobedience that is being conducted right in front of him, he can always move to a nation that is more in line with his way of thinking when it comes to elections...... Iran!! NOTE: His first choice would have been the Soviet Union, but his Russian comrades seem to be out of business there. Pity.
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So you have proof that Florida is hunting down war heroes and trying to purge them from voter rolls?
 
AdamT said:
There is no indication that anyone on the list was a dead voter -- speaking of nice turns! :lol:
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How can you make that assertion when you've already said you don't know the makeup of the non-responders?

AdamT said:
That's a gross over generalization. Someone might have help a few days a week, but that doesn't mean they have someone to drive them several hours to attend a hearing and/or represent them.
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Except all argument as to whether of not they have rides to government centers is moot if no hearing is required. Where are you reading about a hearing in the first place? The WWII vet in the article simply said he sent them the proof. I've seen no talk of hearings.

That said, I haven't been able to find a copy of the purge letter - to verify the details of what is acceptable proof and how it can be submitted.
 
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Disputatious71 said:
These Democrat voting minorities would be the non-citizen, deceased, or convicted felon racial groups ?
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I didn't know the living US citizens affected by this were included in those minorities. Or did you just make up a straw man? Well, it fits your MO perfectly so I don't doubt it.
 
the issue of voter purges aside for a second...

I think the issue of the fed still having control over some of the southern states elections has got to stop... I think 135 years is a long enough punishment for their part in the Civil War.
 
Thrilla said:
the issue of voter purges aside for a second...

I think the issue of the fed still having control over some of the southern states elections has got to stop... I think 135 years is a long enough punishment for their part in the Civil War.
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If that were their only attack on the voting (and more importantly human) rights of minorities you'd be right. Sadly, Southern states had that whole "Jim Crow" issue only a few decades ago. Furthermore, there are still people alive today not much older than myself who remember a time when the South was intimidating not just blacks who tried to vote but killing people coming to ensure they had that right. In general, **** the South. It's got over 150 years of history proving that when it comes to voting, it doesn't really like anybody who isn't white and protestant.
 
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Thrilla said:
the issue of voter purges aside for a second...

I think the issue of the fed still having control over some of the southern states elections has got to stop... I think 135 years is a long enough punishment for their part in the Civil War.
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You can get removed from the list of jurisdictions covered by section 5 of the Voting Rights Act just by going a few years without being proven in court to have engaged in racial electoral discrimination. Some places have managed to do that. A few more have had the option to be removed, but chose to remain covered because they felt that it was a good thing to make sure to monitor election officials closely. But, most of the covered jurisdictions are still covered because they haven't stopped doing it.
 
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Phys251 said:
Post proof or retract. The pro-purgers owe an explanation as to why the DoJ is investigating this problem.



Use of quote marks? Do you deny that Hispanics are ethnic minorities? And they represent 23% of Florida's population, yet they represent 58% of the purge. Yep, that's not racist.

But go ahead, GOP. Keep wondering why the fastest ethic group in America is becoming more and more Democratic by the day.
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:lol:
 
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