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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Uh huh. When you are trying to undermine the election process while justifying to yourself that it is okay because you are doing it to serve your side...that is pretty much what makes you and ACORN cut from the same cloth.
    So now you admit that ACORN's objective was to undermine the election process?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Uh huh. When you are trying to undermine the election process while justifying to yourself that it is okay because you are doing it to serve your side...that is pretty much what makes you and ACORN cut from the same cloth.
    One actively tries to subvert the election process, while the other is attempting to protect it... Sorry, but that's a "fail" as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And Al Gore wanted to exclude entire counties, and military votes... Will you call that out too? Me thinks not.
    No kiddo. That's not true lol. He never wanted to exclude any counties. Not sure what you're thinking of there. For the military votes, what they wanted to exclude were military votes cast after the election was over and after it became clear that it was going to be a recount. Ultimately they did count them, despite it being illegal to do so.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Uh....it is the Federal Governments problem to fix the illegal immigration problem by sealing off the border. If they would do that and purge the illegals already here with a few simple steps Florida wouldn't have to do what they have done. Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. One lady from California had 81 people in 17 states using hers and this isn't a unique story. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate or non issued users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. Enforcement had a ripple effect back in 2006 when IFCO (wooden palette maker) got caught in a Government sting. A local area electronics maker fired 88 employees that couldn't produce a valid SSN and they weren't under scrutiny by ICE. The jobs were quickly filled with citizens. E-Verify must become manditory, no exceptions and used to verify citizenship for any government benefits. Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with forged paperwork and they will go home on their own. This is a simple cost effective way to open up several million existing jobs to citizens out of work. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process.
    Why are the righties continuing to rant on about illegal immigration and the Obama Administration's "failures" in this matter?

    Sept 2010 article
    Report Shows Unauthorized Immigrants Leaving U.S.

    For several years, and certainly since the recession began, the number of immigrants entering the U.S. illegally has been dropping sharply.

    Now, evidence from the Pew Hispanic Center says that more are also leaving the country.

    In a new report, Pew finds that the number of unauthorized immigrants fell 8 percent between 2007 and 2009, the biggest such decline in two decades.

    The change is dramatic. During the first half of this decade, an estimated 850,000 people came into the U.S. illegally each year. The Pew Hispanic Center says that as of last year, that number is believed to be down to 300,000 and still dropping.
    more recent article, April 2012
    For first time since Depression, more Mexicans leave U.S. than enter

    A four-decade tidal wave of Mexican immigration to the United States has receded, causing a historic shift in migration patterns as more Mexicans appear to be leaving the United States for Mexico than the other way around, according to a report from the Pew Hispanic Center.
    The "Mexican immigrants" in this article includes legal as well as illegals.

    Your example of multiple illegals using one SS number was from 2006, as was the story about the cargo pallet maker - got anything more up to date? You know - so you can really accuse that Kenyan anti-colonialist of the crime.

    July 2010
    Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    May 2011
    A Crackdown on Employing Illegal Workers

    June 2011
    More 'Silent Raids' Over Immigration
    Wednesday's surge in so-called silent raids drew criticism from both the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and immigrant advocates.

    It brought to 2,338 the number of companies audited by ICE in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1 and topped the prior year's record of 2,196. The audits, affecting such businesses as garment makers, produce growers and fast-food chains, result in the firing of every illegal immigrant found on a company's payroll.
    from the WSJ article, showing the hypocrisy of some Republicans
    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce in the past has refrained from making public comments about the audits. But on Wednesday, Randy Johnson, a senior vice president, said: "We are concerned the audits are being based more on a fishing expedition than firm facts."
    The present Administration appears to be pissing off both sides of the question, yet some on the right continue to rail against the President for not doing enough. One does have to consider the idea that there is absolutely nothing that will satisfy the right other than the immediate resignation of Obama for they continue to attack him from both sides of many questions, which is particularly noticeable when their attacks are based on actions they have supported in the past but now think are signs of a "socialist takeover"
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    One actively tries to subvert the election process, while the other is attempting to protect it... Sorry, but that's a "fail" as far as I'm concerned.
    What a funny claim. From what I can tell, you are throwing out far. far more citizen names than illegal names. Is that how you protect the election process? Do you throw gasoline on fire to protect a burning building?

    It must be hard to lie this hard to yourself. But I see ACORN supporters do it, so I'm not surprised that you do it as well.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Uh huh. When you are trying to undermine the election process while justifying to yourself that it is okay because you are doing it to serve your side...that is pretty much what makes you and ACORN cut from the same cloth.

    I agree with you most of the time but not on this matter - ACORN did not try to subvert the election process. Every claim made by the right against the organisation was shown to be false. There were problems associated with some of the people they paid to enroll voters but those were all reported by ACORN to the authorities and there were no known incidences of actual fraudulent voters found on those enrollments participating in elections.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So now you admit that ACORN's objective was to undermine the election process?

    Thanks.


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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I agree with you most of the time but not on this matter - ACORN did not try to subvert the election process. Every claim made by the right against the organisation was shown to be false. There were problems associated with some of the people they paid to enroll voters but those were all reported by ACORN to the authorities and there were no known incidences of actual fraudulent voters found on those enrollments participating in elections.
    We can agree to disagree. I'm certain most members of ACORN had good intentions just as many people who push this Florida matter have good intentions. But I know the posters on this forum are not stupid. They know what is going on and what Scott's real agenda is. If they want to play games and pretend otherwise then that is their priority but I'm calling them out on it.

    They are no better than the worst ACORN folk.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Beyond the 5 counties that are still under civil rights era scrutiny by the DoJ, the federal government should not be blocking any effort to purge the election rolls of ineligible voters due to death, conviction or lack of citizenship !
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Beyond the 5 counties that are still under civil rights era scrutiny by the DoJ, the federal government should not be blocking any effort to purge the election rolls of ineligible voters due to death, conviction or lack of citizenship !

    The problem lies in the fact that Florida is not "making an effort", it seems to be just throwing out random names from certain demographic groups.
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