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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You are right, but your forgetting something I believe Dan...Bush wanted total immigration reform that included total amnesty with a few restrictions. The country went NUTS...all the polls had it in the low to high 70s % of people against it. The outrage made that flop...it also caused a huge backlash against McCain when he and lindsey Graham was spouting total amnesty. Mel Martinez senator from fla and head of the RNC retired because of it...it was very unpopular.
    Now with the newly far right nutters that have taken over the GOP they distanced themselves even further....Obama will win a huge margin of the latino vote...and soon very soon the latino vote will be the DECIDING factor in national elections. All the gop brainstormers know this but they dont know how to deal with it yet.
    The latino vote is 9% nationwide, of which Obama got 76% in 2008. It matters ONLY in about 7 swing states, that ones that actually decide close elections, based on the winner take all electoral voting scheme. It looks "important" only on national polls, yet makes very little difference in the real presidential election process. Winning a few big blue states by 4% more makes no difference at all.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    They seem to be dealing with it via voter ID/registration laws that disproportionally impact minorities.

    You can probably thank the union for that moreso than blame it on republicans...But objective honesty is far too high a hurdle for some, I understand.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am curious how requiring the SAME (valid state issued photo) ID for buying alcohol, tobacco, firearms, ammo, traveling by air, getting hunting/fishing licenses, getting SNAP/welfare benefits, cashing checks or collecting state lottery prizes is NOT seen as an "undue discriminatory burden", ONLY voting seems to be an issue. Hmm...
    No you're not. If you were, you would have read the link I provided and addressed it. Instead, you're simply parroting a right wing talk media talking point.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No you're not. If you were, you would have read the link I provided and addressed it. Instead, you're simply parroting a right wing talk media talking point.

    IOW, take my propaganda at face value? Are you serious?


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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

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    IOW, take my propaganda at face value? Are you serious?
    Are you saying that I'm not serious? Where did I post that?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

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    Are you saying that I'm not serious? Where did I post that?

    Good GAWD, you give me a headache....

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You are right, but your forgetting something I believe Dan...Bush wanted total immigration reform that included total amnesty with a few restrictions. The country went NUTS...all the polls had it in the low to high 70s % of people against it. The outrage made that flop...it also caused a huge backlash against McCain when he and lindsey Graham was spouting total amnesty. Mel Martinez senator from fla and head of the RNC retired because of it...it was very unpopular.
    Now with the newly far right nutters that have taken over the GOP they distanced themselves even further....Obama will win a huge margin of the latino vote...and soon very soon the latino vote will be the DECIDING factor in national elections. All the gop brainstormers know this but they dont know how to deal with it yet.
    If one were to accept your statistics, you get then that it wasnt 'far right nutters' that were opposed to total immigration reform and amnesty, but rather the WHOLE of the country...right? That includes democrats...

    ONE of the candidates in the presidential race is touting total reform with an amnesty component, while the OTHER did absolutely nothing for 3.5 years...even when his party held majorities in both the house, senate and while he occupied the white house. The OTHER guy...he was also a senator for 4 years prior and never introduced immigration reform legislation. Guess which is which.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If one were to accept your statistics, you get then that it wasnt 'far right nutters' that were opposed to total immigration reform and amnesty, but rather the WHOLE of the country...right? That includes democrats...

    ONE of the candidates in the presidential race is touting total reform with an amnesty component, while the OTHER did absolutely nothing for 3.5 years...even when his party held majorities in both the house, senate and while he occupied the white house. The OTHER guy...he was also a senator for 4 years prior and never introduced immigration reform legislation. Guess which is which.
    That's a nice fairy tale, but that's all it is. In fact the Dems DID try to pass the DREAM Act under Obama, but it was unanimously rejected by Republicans — including several who were cosponsors of the original bill!

    Romney was as anti-immigrant as can be during the primaries (Mr. Self-Deportation) and now, of course, he's trying to shake his Etch-a-Sketch and reverse that damage ... without offering any specifics or even saying whether he would reverse Obama's executive action. Gumby has more spine than Romney.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ... while the OTHER did absolutely nothing for 3.5 years...even when his party held majorities in both the house, senate and while he occupied the white house.
    The OTHER guy we may safely assume to be President Obama as Romney has never "occupied the White House", and the statement that he has done nothing on immigration reform " would also cause one to think it is the President that VanceMack is calling the OTHER

    So we have a partisan simply repeating the rightwing mantra that is being used as cover for the hapless Willard.

    Then there is that well known librul biased media reporting on what really happened a couple of years ago
    Senate Republicans Block DREAM Act for Illegal Immigrants
    Dec. 18, 2010

    Senate Republicans today blocked a controversial immigration measure that would have provided a conditional path to legal residency for hundreds of thousands of young, undocumented immigrants first brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents.

    By a vote of 55 to 41, the bill -- the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM Act -- failed to win the 60 votes needed to break a GOP filibuster, even though the measure passed the House last week.
    Readers who bother to read more at the ABC site might found the following 'interesting'
    "We are declaring a 10-year victory," said Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, an advocacy group that has lobbied against the DREAM Act. "Since 2001, there has been an attempt to pass giant amnesties every year. And we have been on defense, we have fought every single year. And now there's not going to be any amnesty in this new Congress. It's over."
    Who was President from 2001 to 2009? What party did he belong to? Every day we see similar examples of Republican hypocrisy - actions and policies they once supported are now anathema simply because the present President is an advocate.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's a nice fairy tale, but that's all it is. In fact the Dems DID try to pass the DREAM Act under Obama, but it was unanimously rejected by Republicans — including several who were cosponsors of the original bill!

    Oh, I am sorry...Did I miss something other than the barrage of "don't read it, just pass it" ultimatums from arguably the worst majority leader of the Senate to ever hold the position? Yeah, compromise to demo's means do it our way.

    Romney was as anti-immigrant as can be during the primaries (Mr. Self-Deportation) and now, of course, he's trying to shake his Etch-a-Sketch and reverse that damage ... without offering any specifics or even saying whether he would reverse Obama's executive action. Gumby has more spine than Romney.
    I don't know what can be more anti Hispanic than implying that latino constituents can't be trusted with forks and knives....heh, heh....

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